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Re: Wine history
by Robert Amstadt 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

> If you live near one of these people, buy them a beer. If any of the current developers live in or around San Jose, CA, U.S., I'd be happy to buy you a beer. Thank you, Dan, for digging up that history. It is always wierd though to read my past words and realize that someone is archiving them. ----- Bob Amstadt http://www.amstadt.com/~bob bob(a)amstadt.com

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Wine history
by Dan Kegel 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Here are a few early posts: ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Jul2.173648.3202%40amscons.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Subject: Re: Impressions of WABI/Univel vs Linux References: <C9JoGx.IMM(a)news2.cis.umn.edu> Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 17:36:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Message-ID: <1993Jul2.173648.3202(a)amscons.com> Lines: 7 Of course, for those of you who are interested in running Windows programs there is an effort in progress to create something similar to Sun's WABI. There is an activists channel, "WABI", for discussion of this project. There is need for many volunteers to complete this project. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Aug5.153058.1530%40amscons.com Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Subject: Re: WABI how good is it? References: <1993Aug4.134724.24562(a)jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <CB96AH.2GDK(a)austin.ibm.com> Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 15:30:58 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug5.153058.1530(a)amscons.com> Lines: 27 In <CB96AH.2GDK(a)austin.ibm.com> guyd(a)austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: >In article <1993Aug4.134724.24562(a)jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, arisz(a)csri.toronto.edu (Aris Zakinthinos) writes: >> I have been reading in the local papers about WABI being able to >> translate MS Windows API calls into X calls in real time. Has anybody >> tried it? Is it any good? How about those calls that somehow made it >> into the code but not the docs (i.e. the undocumented calls). I am >> curious to here what it is like. If this realy does work then I may >> never use MS Windows again!!!! How is it being distributed? >> >It's not available yet! >It's a Windows run time enviroment for Unix boxes - Sun started it and >are going to produce it for their boxes. I don't know who else is looking >to support it... Well, those of us in the Linux camp are working on a similar project. It could be extended to run on other Unix operating systems if they would be willing to provide us with the necessary call to manipulate the LDT for the process. Perhaps someone using one of the BSD derivatives would like to get involved with our project? Questions about this project may be directed toward me. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Aug17.200321.4496%40amscons.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Subject: Re: WABI/WINAPI - a Retraction References: <1993Aug17.143450.22682(a)cc.gatech.edu> Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 20:03:21 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug17.200321.4496(a)amscons.com> Lines: 19 In <1993Aug17.143450.22682(a)cc.gatech.edu> byron(a)cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: >2) The WABI folks aren't talking. I have not seen any software yet. Well, considering the fact that we only got started in June, I think we are pretty far along. We don't have any off-the-shelf binaries running yet, but we can run binaries that contain only implemented API functions. We are always looking for more help. Only four people have provided code to the current emulator. I would gues that 80% of that code has been written by two people. If you would like to join the effort, join the linux-activists WABI channel. The name of the project is now Wine, and we have a directory under /pub/linux/ALPHA on tsx-11. Currently there is only a README file which contains information about the status of the project. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=26ai6a%24mob%40samba.oit.unc.edu From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Subject: Wine project status update Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc Date: 4 Sep 1993 17:10:34 GMT Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Lines: 84 Approved: linux-announce(a)tc.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) Message-ID: <26ai6a$mob(a)samba.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) NNTP-Posting-Host: calypso.oit.unc.edu Summary: You like the Wine? The Wine is good? I get you more Wine. Keywords: WABI Wine MS Windows Emulator Originator: mdw@sunSITE Numerous people have requested that the project status of Wine be posted regularly. For the benifit of those people, I am posting the latest README file that I have uploaded to tsx-11... The Wine project for linux is an attempt to write something with similar functionality to the WABI that was developed by Sun. The basic goal is to be able to take a MS-Windows binary and run it under Linux with X-Windows running. The finished product will essentiaily consist of two parts: a) A program loader, which will load the Windows binary into the virtual memory of the linux process, provide a means for adjusting the ldt of the processor so that the 16-bit segments that are typically used with Windows binaries will work correctly, and provide a means for calling the Windows binary in the first place, allowing the Windows binary to call back to the 32-bit mode program, and finally allow the 32-bit mode program to call back again to the Windows binary (i.e. Windows callbacks). In each case, the arguments being passed wil have to be pulled from the appropriate stack and loaded on to the other stack (there will be a 16 bit and a 32 bit stack). Finally some application specfic DLL libraries will have to be loaded, and dynamic linking will have to be performed. b) The second part of the finished product is an emulation library, which takes calls to Windows functions, and somehow translates these into calls to X11 in one fashion or another, so that equivalent functionality is achieved. It should be pointed out that the Windows binary will be running directly - there will be no need for machine level emulation of the instructions. Sun has reported better performance with their version of WABI than is actually achieved under MS-Windows - theoretically the same result is possible under linux. The project got started as a result of discussions on comp.os.linux in early June of 1993. A mail channel was set up for discussions, and this directory was created. At the moment, all of the files that are uploaded are in the private directory in a hidden directory. The reason for this is that the program is really only of use to developers right now. Once something is ready for public consumption, it will be uploaded to a publicly visible directory. The final product will almost certainly be under the GNU Public License (or GPL for short). If you are interested in getting involved in this project, join the linux activists' WABI channel. If you have never joined a channel before, send mail to linux-activists-request(a)niksul.hut.fi. It will reply with a help message. New releases are approximately every Tuesday. All releases are announced to the WABI channel. Also, I will do my best to answer any question mailed to me. My address is "bob(a)amscons.com". *************************************************************** Status Report - September 3, 1993 Windows Solitaire is barely playable for the first time today. Special thanks go to Alexandre Julliard, Eric Youngdale, David Metcalfe and Peter MacDonald for their work on this project. If you live near one of these people, buy them a beer. It looks like the Linux kernel modifications are nearing completion. Hopefully the next Linux kernel (0.99.13 ?) will not require patching to run Wine. The loader portion is nearing completion. Sample Windows binaries are loaded correctly into memory, dynamicly linked and so forth. The 16/32 bit call interface is fairly complete. There are still a few features that remain to be added before it can be considered "done", but it is at the point where it is actually useful. Resource loading is only partially complete. A very minimal version of the emulation library has been merged with the loader. Windows can be created, DC's may be used, bitmaps are handled, text drawing is implemented, and a preliminary implementation of menus has been created. Bugs are still present in many of the implemented functions, but things are starting to look up. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce(a)tc.cornell.edu

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Forgive the intrusion
by Robert Amstadt 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Please don't let me distract you from your important work, but Thomas Wickline asked me to stop in and say hello to all of you. I understand that we are approaching the 10 year anniversary of Wine. That is a remarkable feat. All of you should be proud to be contributing to this effort. It is an amazing piece of software. Though many of the names I see on the WineHQ web site are new to me. I continue to see Alexandre Julliard's name on this work. I had the pleasure of meeting Alexandre many years ago and I am so glad to see that he continues the work after so many years. Alexandre, if you read this, thank you very much for all that you have done for free software. Thank you to the rest of you as well. Wine has been a team effort from the start and is so successful because it is a team effort. When I stepped down from leading this project, I knew it would continue due to the efforts of all the people that have helped along the way. It not only has continued, but it clearly thrives. I'm amazed at the number of people that know what Wine is. Congratulations to all of you Wine developers. You are amazing people. ----- Bob Amstadt http://www.amstadt.com/~bob bob(a)amstadt.com

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Re: templates support to commdlg ChooseFont
by Shachar Shemesh 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

One more bug: FIXME still reports the CF_ENABLETEMPLATE flag as non-supported. Shachar Shemesh wrote: > ChangeLog: > Shachar Shemesh <winecode(a)sun.consumer.org.il> > > Todo: > > * Implement support for the scripts selection. > o Enum the scripts the font supports, and display the list > accordingly. > o Make the sample text use characters from the selected script > (today SOME resources included the local text, which is not > the correct behaviour). > o Implement the Unicode version of script selection properly. > > Bugs: > > * Non functional changes were only applied to the English resource. > I'm sorry, I'm sick (literally - I'm ill), and my sed skills are > not very good. I only performed the changes that were required in > order to keep the code functioning. > * The windows method is to pass stc5 not visible, and the commdlg > code created a BUTTON with the same ID at the same place. I'm not > sure why that is, probably so things will be visibily pleasing. > Our code, if passed not visible, will not display the sample text. > > > > dlls/commdlg/cdlg_En.rc > > * Changed all numeric resources in ChooseFont to labels for better > readability. > > dlls/commdlg/cdlg_*.rc > > * Changed control #1093 (sample text) to stc5 (1092) to convert to > Windows compatible numbers. > > dlls/commdlg/fontdlg.c > > * Changed all handling of stc6 (1093) to atc5 (1092) so that will be > compatible with Windows resource numbers. > * Added code to load the user's resources rather than our own if > CF_ENABLETEMPLATE is passed in "flags". > > > >

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IDL/header issues
by Ove Kaaven 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Now WIDL is good enough to generate a drop-in replacement for Wine's wtypes.h (attached) from a suitably crafted Wine-compatible wtypes.idl (also attached). I've included all the definitions that were already in Wine's wtypes.h (but I was too lazy to do everything that's in Microsoft's wtypes.idl yet). What do you think, is this good enough to go into Wine? Are there some desirable changes to widl or wtypes.idl? And should IDL files go into the main include dir along with the other Win32 headers? IDL-generated files would also eventually obsolete all the current wine/obj_*.h files, but those obj_* files seem to be somewhat more logically structured than MS's own IDL files, should we craft Wine's IDL files accordingly, and maybe have some top-level .idl files in include/ and some sub-.idl files under include/wine/, like it's done now in e.g. objidl.h? Note that I will work on ReWind, not directly on Wine, so I probably won't be able to submit massive "change all files to include this instead of that" patches (that apply to Wine) with any new files.

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RE: Wine headers mismatch
by Patrik Stridvall 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

> On November 6, 2002 02:38 pm, Patrik Stridvall wrote: > > Fixed mismatches between the Wine headers and the Microsoft headers. > > Patrick, what's the status of compiling stuff on Windows? The tests compiles fine (except for ntdll if the Microsoft headers are used). Some fails on Windows when running, but I haven't had time to look at it very much. As for the normal dlls: Well some compile most don't. Quite a lot of work remains. However the compilation instructure generated by msvcmaker work quite well, so if anybody want to help they can. I have a lot of kludges in my MSVC tree so you might run into some problems though...

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Re: Wine headers mismatch
by Dimitrie O. Paun 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

On November 6, 2002 02:38 pm, Patrik Stridvall wrote: > Fixed mismatches between the Wine headers and the Microsoft headers. Patrick, what's the status of compiling stuff on Windows? -- Dimi.

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Re: PATCH: DispCallFunc
by Dimitrie O. Paun 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

On November 6, 2002 01:40 pm, Marcus Meissner wrote: > + > + FIXME("(%p, %ld, %d, %d, %d, %p, %p, %p)\n", > + pvInstance, oVft, cc, vtReturn, cActuals, prgvt, prgpvarg, pvargResult + ); Why is this one a FIXME, and not a TRACE? [snip] > + /* FIXME: Must handle pvargResult. How? */ Isn't it better to issue a FIXME here, if pvargResult is not NULL? -- Dimi.

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Re: OT: Wine history
by Brian Vincent 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

> What's the history of Wine? Hmm. I actually started on something like this. Google's groups are a great way to find info. Some of the stuff I started on was the very early years - 1993 - 1995. I'm sure Marcus or Alexandre could fill in the blanks after that. As far as Bob goes, there was a posting back in '96 or '98 about his involvement with TWIN. Weird fact of the day: Miguel de Icaza was cited as an early contributor to Wine. -Brian Vincent vinn(a)theshell.com

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I dont mean to start a flame war, but...
by Dustin Navea 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Mr. Amstadt, I just was marvelling at seeing you on the list ;) and the question happened to pop into my head, what do you think about the whole wine relicensing ordeal, and TransGaming trying to get at the LGPL-licensed code? -Dustin Navea WebHosting Tech Support, RackShack.net Internet Services Minor Code Contributor/Better Bugfinder, winehq.com IRC NetAdmin, irc.blynk.net (down) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/

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