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Re: Menu crash - was : Re: [PATCH] Version info for comctl32.dll
by gerard patel 18 Mar '01

18 Mar '01

At 11:44 PM 17/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Strange but true. I reverted the patch, and alt-b beeps but does not >cause a crash. With the patch in, wine crashes without a beep. > >Now I guess I'll put it back in. It doesn't cripple me if wine crashes >when I fat-finger the GUI. I guess wine-devel doesn't want to see a >trace, and maybe you don't either, but if you do it will save time to >send it. I had left out some cases in my first try :/, but maybe it's better to understand firsst what the app is doing. Could you send me a complete (from start) +relay,+menu trace of your app crashing with current Wine (no copy to wine-devel is best in this case) If you can apply the following patch to enhance trace first : --- menu.c.orig Sun Mar 18 10:18:31 2001 +++ menu.c Sun Mar 18 11:28:29 2001 @@ -1852,6 +1852,7 @@ LPWSTR prevText = IS_STRING_ITEM(item->fType) ? item->text : NULL; debug_print_menuitem("MENU_SetItemData from: ", item, ""); + TRACE("flags=%x str=%p\n", flags, str); if (IS_STRING_ITEM(flags)) { @@ -4511,6 +4512,9 @@ { if (!menu) return FALSE; + debug_print_menuitem("MENU_SetItemInfo_common from: ", menu, ""); + TRACE("mask=%x type=%x text=%p\n", lpmii->fMask, lpmii->fType, lpmii->dwTypeData); + if (lpmii->fMask & MIIM_TYPE ) { /* Get rid of old string. */ if ( IS_STRING_ITEM(menu->fType) && menu->text) { @@ -4589,7 +4603,7 @@ if (lpmii->fMask & MIIM_DATA) menu->dwItemData = lpmii->dwItemData; - debug_print_menuitem("SetMenuItemInfo_common: ", menu, ""); + debug_print_menuitem("SetMenuItemInfo_common to : ", menu, ""); return TRUE; } Thanks. Gerard

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Menu crash - was : Re: [PATCH] Version info for comctl32.dll
by gerard patel 18 Mar '01

18 Mar '01

At 10:26 PM 16/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >On a related note, I provoked that crash in menu.c again, this time by >hitting an accelerator key (?) for a button that was not enabled at the >time. First thanks for the bug report. The trace is not difficult to read, the menu item is a text item and the text pointer is NULL. MENU_CalcItemSize is not handling this case. What is strange is this problem appears only with my patch. Maybe your app is really initializing the menu when receiving the WM_INITMENU message, but *only* when there is need to display the menu. I can't see how it could find out about it, though. Anyway, could you try the following patch ? It tries to remove the main case I saw where the app can set a menu item to text type with a null text pointer. It is a legitimate patch by itself, even if it does not fix your problem. Maybe it could have nasty side effects. If it avoids the systematic crash, try to find if the other is really gone for good too. I have found a strangeness in the HEAP_strdup macros - WARNING - this is of interest to anyone dabbling with Wine code. While HEAP_strdupW and HEAP_strdupAtoW appear very similar, the specs are not the same; one returns a null pointer when called with a null pointer, the other allocates 2 bytes of memory and returns a pointer to it. Nice trap :-) Gerard --- menu.c.orig Wed Mar 14 20:19:46 2001 +++ menu.c Sat Mar 17 14:47:30 2001 @@ -4524,11 +4524,15 @@ menu->text = lpmii->dwTypeData; - if (IS_STRING_ITEM(menu->fType) && menu->text) { - if (unicode) - menu->text = HEAP_strdupW(GetProcessHeap(), 0, lpmii->dwTypeData); - else - menu->text = HEAP_strdupAtoW(GetProcessHeap(), 0, (LPSTR)lpmii->dwTypeData); + if (IS_STRING_ITEM(menu->fType)) { + if (menu->text) { + if (unicode) + menu->text = HEAP_strdupW(GetProcessHeap(), 0, lpmii->dwTypeData); + else + menu->text = HEAP_strdupAtoW(GetProcessHeap(), 0, (LPSTR)lpmii->dwTypeData); + } + else + menu->fType |= MF_SEPARATOR; } }

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Re: [PATCH] Version info for comctl32.dll
by gerard patel 18 Mar '01

18 Mar '01

At 10:10 AM 15/03/2001 +0800, you wrote: >I thought that include/wine/wine_common_ver.rc will serve as the quite reasonable >defaults for all built-in Wine dlls. If not, it should be changed for ALL dlls >in ONE place. Getting the common controls to the 4.72 version at least is the *whole* purpose of the patch. There are applications testing the version number of the common controls - tons of them : all the apps written with modern Borland tools. Their behaviour change accordingly because Ms changed things quite a lot with 4.72. Wine does not emulate the old behaviour, so it's needed to return a recent version number to get some apps to work correctly. Unless the version number of winsock.dll, richedit.dll, version.dll, or unrelated dlls like that is always identical to the version number of common controls ? I did not check but that seems unlikely. >1. I believe that version numbers should be equal in both numerical field and >in the string value (0.01 != 4.72 and 1.00 != 4.72). >2. There is no need for excessive \000 at the end of the string value. >3. All well behaving programs do read "VarFileInfo"/"Translation" before >retrieving other version information. LANGUAGE does nothing here. >4. Did you try to use my sample application showing version info? >5. Version resources in kernel, user, gdi for both 16 and 32-bit dlls could serve >as an example of adding version resources into built-in dlls. Well, all right I'll do like it's done in include/wine. I did not search far enough, I used the file in commdlg as an example :-) I found another problem you missed btw, there is a special function to retrieve the dll version directly, it returns hard coded values; I'll add code to retrieve these from the resource. Gerard

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Re: [PATCH] Version info for comctl32.dll
by gerard patel 17 Mar '01

17 Mar '01

At 08:54 PM 15/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: <snip> >for its version info and gets the builtin. The ver trace looks a little >strange to me - maybe it will make sense to you? Do you mean a strangeness that could go away with the following patch : --- info.c.orig Fri Feb 23 21:37:15 2001 +++ info.c Fri Mar 16 10:14:19 2001 @@ -503,8 +503,15 @@ && !VersionInfoIs16( data ) ) { /* convert resource from PE format to NE format */ - ConvertVersionInfo32To16( (VS_VERSION_INFO_STRUCT32 *)data, - (VS_VERSION_INFO_STRUCT16 *)data ); + BYTE *ptemp = HeapAlloc(GetProcessHeap(), 0, datasize); + if (ptemp) + { + ConvertVersionInfo32To16( (VS_VERSION_INFO_STRUCT32 *)data, + (VS_VERSION_INFO_STRUCT16 *)ptemp ); + memcpy(data, ptemp, datasize); + HeapFree(GetProcessHeap(), 0, ptemp); + + } } return TRUE; I don't think this will fix your problem, though. Gerard

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Re: [PATCH] Recalculate menus after WM_INITMENU
by lawson_whitney＠juno.com 17 Mar '01

17 Mar '01

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, gerard patel wrote: > StatView (www.statview.com) menus don't work at all. > It seems that this app recreates all submenus of the > main menu in the WM_INITMENU handling. > > ChangeLog: > > * controls/menu.c > Recalculate menu sizes if WM_INITMENU has recreated/changed something > > Good day, Gerard! I have noticed a couple of crashes at controls/menu.c 872 since I applied this - when I fatfinger something in the wm (icewm) and keyboard input gets directed to a different window, but the event comes to wine, I think, but I haven't looked into it too closely and I'm not sure I can reproduce it. /* If we get here, then it must be a text item */ if (IS_STRING_ITEM( lpitem->fType )) { SIZE size; GetTextExtentPoint32W(hdc, lpitem->text, strlenW(lpitem->text), &size); and in this case lpitem is NULL and the strlen crashes. Would you be interested to see traces if I can reproduce it (if so which traces)? I think maybe it is a wm bug, but maybe wine should protect itself if it is not too expensive to do so? Lawson ---cut here ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Eliminate excessive retries in GetFileVersionInfo(Size)
by lawson_whitney＠juno.com 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Good day! Maybe it takes a Man from Mars to think that a windose function might ought to sort of do what its name implies, but the more I think about it, wouldn't it be simpler? It is right and proper for the functions of oleaut32.dll to be performed by liboleaut32.so and friends (if the Wine administrator so directs), but if the app asks for the version info for oleaut32.dll, and the named file exists (because the app's installer _put_ that file there, in this case) how about we give it the version info from that bloody file? If the file doesn't exist, we give it a builtin construct, say. IOW, disconnect file version from dll. I don't think it is any business of the app what does its work, so I don't see why it should be able to tell by GetFileVersionInfo whether the working blah.dll is builtin or native. I guess you could make a case for a [VersionOverrides] section in the config, but I am not going to. That way lies madness. I would be willing to take a shot at writing the code if that's what we decide we want, and if no one is in a great hurry for it, but... Regards, Lawson << Sardines of the world unite! << >> You have nothing to lose but your cans. >> ---cut here ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Eliminate excessive retries in GetFileVersionInfo(Size) (fwd)
by lawson_whitney＠juno.com 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Oops, I misdirected this to wine-patches before. Sorry. On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: > Hello. > > This patch helps eliminate excessive retries in GetFileVersionInfo(Size). > > Changelog: > Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> > Return from GetFileVersionInfo(Size) if specified file found, > but VS_VERSION_INFO resource not. > Good day! Here we go again. This breaks my app (juno 2.0.11) with builtin ole32/oleaut32. Native ole32/oleaut32 are so full of deadbeef they sort of stink. I guess we don't need to panic yet. I can revert it locally until so I can get and send mail until I see if I (or someone) can make some builtin version resources that will satisfy this app. It installs its own oleaut32.dll and with this patch in it thinks the install is busted. Regards, Lawson It is better to be lucky than good. - J. A. Soucy ---

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Re: winedefault patch
by Andreas Mohr 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:35:17PM +0100, Ove Kaaven wrote: > Wine won't load builtin dlls if a full path to a nonexistent file is > specified, so the default registry should probably not have a full path to > dplayx.dll. Some guy managed to start Settlers 3 after this was fixed... > > Log: > Removed path from dplayx registry entry, so that the builtin dplayx can be > loaded. Alexandre, please add a comment to winedefault.reg reminding people of this problem for future entries. Thanks ! -- Andreas Mohr Stauferstr. 6, D-71272 Renningen, Germany Tel. +49 7159 800604 http://home.germany.net/100-30936/

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Re: [PATCH] deferred trace
by Alexandre Julliard 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

"Rob Farnum" <rfarnum(a)mindspring.com> writes: > I am not exactly sure what you mean by this. Do you mean to put the > code that would be in the dll, into the debugger, or to extend the > debugger in such a way that it can load dll's to enhance its > functionality, or something else? I mean that the code that would have been in the dll and loaded into Wine should be in the debugger instead. So for instance, instead of having a magic key (or X message) to switch tracing on, you'd have a debugger command 'set tracing on' that would poke into the Wine address space to do it. Since you can read/write memory, call functions (I think it's broken now but should be easy to fix), etc. from the debugger you can do everything from here and avoid the need to have any debugging code running inside the Wine process. > This would bypass the objection of intercepting a key, like F12, and > using it to generate a window list dump, and replace it with a > mechanism that uses the debugger own builtin functions to do that. Yes, exactly. > I think it is desirable to use as much of the existing debugger > functionality as possible, and to add an "elaborate mechanism in the > debugger" that allows it to be dynamically extended in > functionality. It would certainly be possible to load dlls inside the debugger itself to extend it; though maybe simply loading a batch file containing debugger commands may allow to do a lot of things already without requiring compiling new code. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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Re: [PATCH] Version info for comctl32.dll
by Dmitry Timoshkov 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

"gerard patel" <gerard.patel(a)asi.fr> wrote: > ChangeLog: > > * dlls/comctl32/rsrc.rc > Add version info. [...] > LANGUAGE LANG_NEUTRAL, SUBLANG_NEUTRAL > + > +1 VERSIONINFO > +FILEVERSION 4, 72, 0, 0 > +PRODUCTVERSION 4, 72, 0, 0 > +FILEFLAGSMASK VS_FFI_FILEFLAGSMASK > +FILEOS VOS_DOS_WINDOWS16 [...] > + VALUE "FileVersion", "0.01\000" [...] > + VALUE "ProductVersion", "1.00\000" I thought that include/wine/wine_common_ver.rc will serve as the quite reasonable defaults for all built-in Wine dlls. If not, it should be changed for ALL dlls in ONE place. Besides that: 1. I believe that version numbers should be equal in both numerical field and in the string value (0.01 != 4.72 and 1.00 != 4.72). 2. There is no need for excessive \000 at the end of the string value. 3. All well behaving programs do read "VarFileInfo"/"Translation" before retrieving other version information. LANGUAGE does nothing here. 4. Did you try to use my sample application showing version info? 5. Version resources in kernel, user, gdi for both 16 and 32-bit dlls could serve as an example of adding version resources into built-in dlls.

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Re: [PATCH] deferred trace
by Alexandre Julliard 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

"Rob Farnum" <rfarnum(a)mindspring.com> writes: > My current design is to have yet another dll that would register > itself as the handler for this XClientMessage, so that on reciept of > the XClientMessage, it is simply passed to this new dll. This dll > would implement whatever application specific debugging tools I > need, with only the bare minimum of support from wine needed. Since > the wine debugger already has quite a bit of the functionality that > is needed, it might be interesting if this method could be used to > effectively open a pipe and drive the wine debugger externally. What you should rather do IMO is to put your dll inside the debugger, and have the debugger drive Wine instead of the other way around. Then you can add all kinds of elaborate mechanisms in the debugger, and do anything you want without needing any cooperation from the running Wine process. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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RE: Problems with WM_NCHITTEST and HTTRANSPARENT
by Patrik Stridvall 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

> I'm currently having problems with this situation: > > Thread 1 owns some controls (modeless dialog box, actually) > > Thread 2 owns a window that covers the dialog (let's say it's like a > "skin" or something...) > > The window procedure for thread 2's window return HTTRANSPARENT in its > WM_NCHITTEST handler, so in theory mouse messages should get > passed down > to thread 1's controls. Now, what happens is this... [snip] > Any ideas on how to solve this, or whether it's supposed to work at all? I > think I could fix some games if this worked... otherwise I'll have to > think of some other way... >From MSDN: < HTTRANSPARENT < In a window currently covered by another window in the same thread < (the message will be sent to underlying windows in the same thread < until one of them returns a code that is not HTTRANSPARENT). Note "window in the same thread". So it seems that you (Wine) shouldn't pass down mouse messages to thread 1 in your example.

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Problems with WM_NCHITTEST and HTTRANSPARENT
by Ove Kaaven 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

I'm currently having problems with this situation: Thread 1 owns some controls (modeless dialog box, actually) Thread 2 owns a window that covers the dialog (let's say it's like a "skin" or something...) The window procedure for thread 2's window return HTTRANSPARENT in its WM_NCHITTEST handler, so in theory mouse messages should get passed down to thread 1's controls. Now, what happens is this... -Mouse message arrives at thread 2 -TranslateMouseMsg calls WINPOS_WindowFromPoint -WINPOS_WindowFromPoint sends a WM_NCHITTEST to window -Window procedure returns HTTRANSPARENT -WINPOS_WindowFromPoint finds the controls, and returns that -TranslateMouseMsg wakes owner of controls (thread 1) -Mouse message arrives at thread 1 -TranslateMouseMsg calls WINPOS_WindowFromPoint -Since the transparent window is not owned by the current thread, WINPOS_WindowFromPoint doesn't bother to send it a message, but rather returns HTCLIENT directly -WINPOS_WindowFromPoint returns the transparent window -TranslateMouseMsg wakes thread 2 Repeat. This blocks all further mouse input processing, by the way... Any ideas on how to solve this, or whether it's supposed to work at all? I think I could fix some games if this worked... otherwise I'll have to think of some other way...

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Re: [PATCH] deferred trace
by gerard patel 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

At 12:04 PM 14/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I remember wishing fondly for something like this when we were working >on WordPerfect, but never having the time to do it myself. FYI someone at Codeweavers has something much more sophistificated than my simple patch but from my understanding it's not ready for general use :-/ Gerard

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Re: [PATCH] deferred trace
by Alexandre Julliard 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Gavriel State <gav(a)transgaming.com> writes: > I disagree - many of the bugs I encounter can happen well into the run > of a program. For example, debugging a dialog box in an app that comes > up only after a specific set of occurances. Having the ability to turn > on -debugmsg +all at will would make this kind of debugging much easier. My reply was more targeted at the dumping of the window handles; I don't deny switching tracing on or off would be useful, but it needs to be done in a more generic way. Also this can be done externally to Wine, so that we don't need to burden the core dlls with extra command-line options or magic key sequences. There are many ways of doing that; an output filter is very easy to do and would work in many situations; if you need more complex stuff you could do it from the debugger, or write a small app that uses the debug API to manipulate the tracing state. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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Re: [PATCH] deferred trace
by Alexandre Julliard 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

gerard patel <gerard.patel(a)asi.fr> writes: > 2) I don't see how I will get the window list I generate with > WIN_WalkWindows if there is no change at all in Wine - I should > have said that to cut in the trace size in not a goal per se, but a > mean to make debugging easier. > If I have to make a first run with full trace that I have to browse to see > what is the meaning of the window handles appearing in the trace, I lose > a lot of time. Having immediately a view of all existing windows is *very* > handy. I don't doubt it's very useful for the specific problem you are tracking; but it's hardly generic enough to be included in the main tree. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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Re: Heroes 3
by Andreas Mohr 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 07:06:03PM +0100, Rustan Rosen rustan(a)lysator.liu.se [AndiM/Usenet 01/2001] wrote: > I found this on wine-users, and have the same problem. I did as you said, > and have attatched the file. Good ! > I have tried to test different setups, and seem to have problems with > directx, it wants to install 6.1, which doesnt work, and then says my > system doesnt have directx ('failed' in a checklist). I use the latest > wine in debian unstable, from 5/3 2001. After checking for directx, it > seems to install fine, but then just hangs. After killing it, and running > wine HEROES3.EXE > from the installed directory, it gives the above message. Can you help? > Shall I ask someone else? > Shall I supply more data? Call kernel32.192: CreateFileA(418c1a11 "C:\\Program Files\\3DO\\Heroes3\\DATAh3sprite.lod",c0000000,00000003,405e6ce4,00000003,00000080,00000000) ret=00599971 fs=008f trace:string:lstrcpynA (0x405e6400, "/kul/musik/wine/fake_windows", 1024) Ret kernel32.192: CreateFileA() retval=ffffffff ret=00599971 fs=008f . . . Call user32.425: MessageBoxA(00000000,005dd4fc "Unable to initialize resources - possible disk problem.",005dd628 "Unexpected Program Termination",00000010) ret=004cef94 fs=008f Hmm. Does C:\\Program Files\\3DO\\Heroes3\\DATAh3sprite.lod exist ? Or maybe this should be DATA\\h3sprite.lod ?? Hmm. Let me check this. I smell some Wine problem... BTW, have you tried running http://home.germany.net/100-30936/download/winecheck ? Probably doesn't help here, though... ARGL: Call kernel32.414: GetFullPathNameA(005d78d0 ".\\DATA\\",00000104,405e6cdc,405e6ccc) ret=00599630 fs=008f trace:string:lstrcpynA (0x405e63d0, "/kul/musik/wine/fake_windows", 1024) trace:string:lstrcpynA (0x405e63ed, "Program Files/3DO/Heroes3", 995) trace:string:lstrcpynA (0x405e67d3, "PROG~FBU\\3DO\\HEROES3", 1021) trace:string:lstrcpynA (0x405e67d2, "/Program Files/3DO/Heroes3", 1021) trace:string:lstrcpynA (0x405e67ed, ".\\DATA\\", 995) trace:string:lstrcpynA (0x405e6cdc, "C:\\Program Files\\3DO\\Heroes3\\DATA", 260) Ret kernel32.414: GetFullPathNameA() retval=00000021 ret=00599630 fs=008f THAT's it !! GetFullPathNameA() is broken (clips trailing '\\'). Latest Wine release, BTW ? Or which one ? Oh well, something needs to be fixed then, I guess... ;-) Andreas Mohr

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RE: The PEACE Project
by Patrik Stridvall 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

> I don't know if you know about The PEACE Project: > > http://chiharu.haun.org/peace/ Now I do. :-) > What is PEACE? > > PEACE is a set of programs to run Win32 apps on NetBSD/i386 > (and other ports > in the future?) box. I see. > What is the difference from other Win32 emulators? > > Actually, PEACE is éWin32-compatible package' rather than > éemulator' because > different from Wine and WABI, And Wine isn't a "Win32-compatible package"? > PEACE does not have éemulator > executable'. > EXE files are directly executed from sh or csh. The above is IMHO a rather clintonesque use of the words emulator and executable. They hide the comparable code in NetBSD's dynamic linker instead. Not impressed, eventhough we could and probably should do that in the future. However if we hide the fact Wine is run, many user will not realize that it really is Wine's fault that their Win32 application crashes and say to their friends that Linux is unstable which gives Linux a bad reputation. We don't want that do we? So we probably shouldn't make it transparent at least not as long Wine still is alpha. > PEACE consists of the following 3 components: > > 1.In-kernel *.EXE loader Can't find the source but can't imagine it is very complicated. Probably somthing similar to what David Howells did for Linux. > 2.Dynamic linker for Windows *.DLLs Hmm, 233 lines of code including comments. Not very revolutionary. > 3.Win32 API implementation (i.e. core DLLs) This is supposed to do exact what Wine (Winelib) does. However it currently only implements a very small part of what Wine currently does as they admit... > How many Win32 API functions are implemented? > > Currentry, most APIs are NOT implemented. ... here In short this is just some Japanese guys trying to reinvent the wheel. I really can't understand why they don't cooperate with us in the Wine project instead.

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Re: [PATCH] deferred trace
by gerard patel 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

At 11:24 AM 10/03/2001 -0800, you wrote: >gerard patel <gerard.patel(a)asi.fr> writes: > >> This implements a way to not output the debug trace to disk until the >> user hits Alf + F12. The goal is to avoid too big trace files. > >I think it would be much better to do that with a small external >program that you pipe the debug output into. This way you can have >much more flexibility I don't see why. 2 other points : 1) I wonder if I will not lose in speed with this approach; it seems to be more efficient to stop the output ASAP, than to filter data after it has passed through a pipe. I have timed Bcb4 loading with Wine on my computer (K6-350) - without any trace : 48 seconds With a simple -debugmsg +win,+relay : - with my patch : 70 seconds -> 22 seconds overhead - with a redirection to /dev/null : 95 seconds -> 47 seconds overhead I don't know if a pipe would be more efficient that a redirection, though. 2) I don't see how I will get the window list I generate with WIN_WalkWindows if there is no change at all in Wine - I should have said that to cut in the trace size in not a goal per se, but a mean to make debugging easier. If I have to make a first run with full trace that I have to browse to see what is the meaning of the window handles appearing in the trace, I lose a lot of time. Having immediately a view of all existing windows is *very* handy. >, and you don't need to hardcode a specific key >that some apps may need. But my patch does not use the Alt+F12 key if the -dt command line option is not used. It's true that some apps use this key, but in this case it's only debugging that is affected because the app does something when I use this key. It has never been a problem until now. Maybe a signal could be used instead. Gerard

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RE: The PEACE Project
by Patrik Stridvall 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

> > > What is the difference from other Win32 emulators? > > > > > > Actually, PEACE is éWin32-compatible package' rather than > > > éemulator' because > > > different from Wine and WABI, > > > > And Wine isn't a "Win32-compatible package"? > > > > > PEACE does not have éemulator > > > executable'. > > > EXE files are directly executed from sh or csh. > > > > The above is IMHO a rather clintonesque use of the words > > emulator and executable. They hide the comparable code > > in NetBSD's dynamic linker instead. > > > > Clintonesque?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's really good > dude! I guess it > follows in the tradition of words like "nasty". It follows the same tradition as the word quisling which means "A traitor that serves as the puppet of the enemy occuping his or her country." after Vidkun Quisling the notorius Norwegian traitor. Being clintonesque means "Deliberately distorting the meaning of a word or words in order to make somebody believe something that is not true." Compare Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with that woman" using a rather non standard definition of the word sex. In the case PEACE this might not have been deliberate, but because of ignorance, so perhaps the use of the word clintonesque was too harsh. > > Not impressed, eventhough we could and probably > > should do that in the future. > > > > I thought there was another kernel module running around that > loaded wine > for exe files. Used BINFMT_MISC or something? See Chad's mail. > > However if we hide the fact Wine is run, many user > > will not realize that it really is Wine's fault > > that their Win32 application crashes and say to > > their friends that Linux is unstable which gives > > Linux a bad reputation. We don't want that do we? > > > > So we probably shouldn't make it transparent at > > least not as long Wine still is alpha. > > > > Should there ever be a kernel module exe loader? The advantage of a kernel module loader is that you can do relocation on demand as well as having the ability to just discard such pages when memory is low instead of swapping them out. > Codeweavers is on the right track here, allowing users to > launch Windows > apps from gnome by creating a file association. Agreed. > > > PEACE consists of the following 3 components: > > > > > > 1.In-kernel *.EXE loader > > > > Can't find the source but can't imagine it is very complicated. > > Probably somthing similar to what David Howells did for Linux. > > > > I thought David's module was implementing the Wine in kernel > space (e.g. > part 3 of this). This part can be done with or without > having Wine in the > kernel. Not quite he is trying to implement the Wine _server_ in kernel space. ie approximately thoses things that requires some sort of intra-process communication. > > I really can't understand why they don't cooperate > > with us in the Wine project instead. > > I cannot either. I know that there is this whole thing about > wanting to > write your own code for stuff, but that is usually a waste of time. > Furthermore, the Wine project is developed in an extremely > open way by a lot > of very talented developers. It is a real shame to see > someone who could > obviously help out the Wine project going out and doing their > own program. > > Anyone can join the wine development team. Simply subscribe > to wine-devel > and wine-patches and start hacking. Because all patches go through > Alexandre before going into CVS every developer has basically > equal chances > of getting their patch into the tree (assuming that it is > following the > overall architecture goals of Wine). Indeed and if they prefer not to communicate in english, setting up a wine-devel-jp mailing list shouldn't be a problem. Most of the patches they send in will "speak" for itself without any or at least only a very short explaination. > Actually, I would say wine is an > extremely good example of the open source development process. > > There is also no licensing issue with Wine, it's under such a liberal > license that anyone can use it! Agreed.

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RE: The PEACE Project
by Patrik Stridvall 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

> > I really can't understand why they don't cooperate > > with us in the Wine project instead. > > That's exactly what I thought several weeks ago when I first > heard of it. > > Licensing issues might be the reason (I did not look at their > license !). They use the BSD license, unfortunately the one with the advertisment clause. However I don't imagine it will be a problem since there is very little if anything that they have implemented that we haven't implemented I long time ago already. Additional problem is that they use C++. :-) In short they have wasted a lot of effort for little or no gain. > Other than that I'm tired of YAW (Yet Another Windows, which is > the name of yet another windows package, coincidentally ;-) Indeed. I can understand people that start working with a project has a lot of ideas and the project leader rejects them and they grow tired and decide to do it themselves. However for a project like Wine most things really can't be done that many ways since it must be compatible with Windows so this shouldn't really be a very large problem. In this case perhaps they, being Japanse, felt uncomfortable with cooperating with english speaking people. I noticed that they have a Japanese only mailing list. Anyway we could always create a wine-devel-jp or whatever if that was a problem.

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The PEACE Project
by Damjan Lango 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Hi, I don't know if you know about The PEACE Project: http://chiharu.haun.org/peace/ What is PEACE? PEACE is a set of programs to run Win32 apps on NetBSD/i386 (and other ports in the future?) box. What is the difference from other Win32 emulators? Actually, PEACE is `Win32-compatible package' rather than `emulator' because different from Wine and WABI, PEACE does not have `emulator executable'. EXE files are directly executed from sh or csh. Requirements More information PEACE consists of the following 3 components: 1.In-kernel *.EXE loader 2.Dynamic linker for Windows *.DLLs 3.Win32 API implementation (i.e. core DLLs) How many Win32 API functions are implemented? Currentry, most APIs are NOT implemented. (I'm not involved in that project, just found it on the web) ciao Damjan Lango

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Re: RFC: client side implementation of async I/O
by Alexandre Julliard 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Michael McCormack <mccormac(a)aals27.alcatel.com.au> writes: > The patch can be further optimised, for example by keeping active asyncs in a > seperate list from inactive asyncs. i think it is more efficient because the > number of server calls and context switches is reduced. Reducing the number of server calls but making them more expensive is not necessarily a gain. Show me the numbers... > What i'm more interested in is whether having waiting clients running > concurrently with wineserver and those clients waking themselves from wait is > a good idea. I'm not sure it's a good idea, particularly if we want to support signals (which I think would be a good thing since it allows getting rid of the service thread). > Similarly, we could create a client side file handle cache that is alerted by > the wineserver when it becomes invalid. Before each fd is used, the cache > implementation would poll on the wineserver communication fd to confirm the > cache is valid, which would further improve the speed of file I/O. (a single > poll vs. a full server call) You'll probably still need a server call to find out about file locks at some point. And again you'll get in trouble if you want to support signals. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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Re: [PATCH] deferred trace
by Alexandre Julliard 10 Mar '01

10 Mar '01

gerard patel <gerard.patel(a)asi.fr> writes: > This implements a way to not output the debug trace to disk until the > user hits Alf + F12. The goal is to avoid too big trace files. I think it would be much better to do that with a small external program that you pipe the debug output into. This way you can have much more flexibility, and you don't need to hardcode a specific key that some apps may need. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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Palette managing
by kenon＠go2.pl 10 Mar '01

10 Mar '01

Hi In file windows/painting.c in function RealizePalette16 I found that line 1713: if (hWnd) SendMessageA( HWND_BROADCAST, WM_PALETTECHANGED, hWnd, 0L); broke some applications . When I comment it out - every things work well, but when I leave it some child-windows are displayed in improper place. I think this message should be sent only when used entry in COLOR_sysPal is replaced by new one (function X11DRV_PALETTE_SetMapping in line 907 when index == -1). Maciek Kaliszewski

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