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RE: Wine 0.9 TODO v0.2
by Medland, Bill 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: wine-devel-admin(a)winehq.com > [mailto:wine-devel-admin@winehq.com]On > Behalf Of Dimitrie O. Paun > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:21 PM > To: Wine Devel > Subject: Wine 0.9 TODO v0.2 > > > Folks, > > This time in HTML & Technicolor, at: > > http://www.dssd.ca/Wine-0.9-TODO.html > > Please take a look, and let me know if you think > anything needs to change. If you are listed there > on a task, a status update would be more than > appreciated. If you feel like working on something, > I would like to know to add you in there. > > NOTE: most tasks don't require coding, so don't be > shy, and step up to the challenge. ;) > > -- > Dimi. > Dimi (et al) I guess I could do B.2; Move CVS Docu from User Guide to Devel guide. Before doing so, though, I just want to check what that means. I presume that this means moving the "Getting Wine Source code from CVS" section. I wonder if that is exactly what we want. Are we trying to avoid scaring beginners and non-programmers? If we basically mean that the user Guide will not talk about getting the source and compiling it on your own machine then we might as well also move "Getting Wine Source Code from the FTP archive" and "Upgrading Wine with a patch" If we basically mean that we suggest that the user be able to build from source but only from the FTP archive versions then do we really need the "Upgrading Wine with a patch" If we support the user being able to build from source but don't want to scare them then all we need to do is drop the talk about changing the code and diffing (and maybe adding a little more hand-holding to the cvs section a la dummies guide). Also if we go towards the "build from source" we are going to have to address little issues like the tendency not to install the compiler these days. My suggestion is that, since we are talking about fairly stable releases, we ought to move all the sections concerned with building from source. Guidance please. Bill

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RE: Wine 0.9 TODO v0.2
by Medland, Bill 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dimitrie O. Paun [mailto:dpaun@rogers.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:42 AM > To: Medland, Bill; Wine Devel > Subject: Re: Wine 0.9 TODO v0.2 > > > On November 7, 2002 12:37 pm, Medland, Bill wrote: > > My suggestion is that, since we are talking about fairly > stable releases, > > we ought to move all the sections concerned with building > from source. > > I think so. User Guide should all about how you use Wine, not how you > develop it, build it, etc. We should just add a small note to the > User Guide pointing people to the other guide, if interested in > building from source. > > You're on. That was quick!! Catch them while you can, Eh? I'll wait a couple of days to allow any discussion on the list. > > -- > Dimi. > Bill

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Re: Wine FAQ - call for a volunteer
by Ulf Dambacher 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Just one tip: Why not use a wiki-Engine to creaate/maintain a faq, like e.g. www.squirrelmail.net does? I recommend phpwiki (http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/) This way users can maintain the faq and it is most up to date! Greetings Ulf

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Pls help me.
by yf 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

When I using wine start a winapp, it first download some data and then save it to the disk. But when save the data, it always says "Disk full while accessing C:\south\Base.map. What's the matter with it? How could I resolve it? Pls give me some hints? Best regards. /yf

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Re: [PATCHLET] DeleteFile With Empty Paths
by Marcus Meissner 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:18:20AM -0800, Ryan Cumming wrote: > Hi, > > KaZaA Lite 2.0 calls DeleteFile with an empty path at shutdown, which triggers > ERR("Empty path passed\n"). It seems a bit silly to call that an error, so > this patch changes the message to a warning. It also does a > SetLastError(ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) in that case, which is consistant with > Windows XP. Can you also create a testcase for this problem? Ciao, Marcus

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Wine 0.9 TODO v0.2
by Dimitrie O. Paun 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Folks, This time in HTML & Technicolor, at: http://www.dssd.ca/Wine-0.9-TODO.html Please take a look, and let me know if you think anything needs to change. If you are listed there on a task, a status update would be more than appreciated. If you feel like working on something, I would like to know to add you in there. NOTE: most tasks don't require coding, so don't be shy, and step up to the challenge. ;) -- Dimi.

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Re: Interrupts / Move most of int31 to winedos
by Jukka Heinonen 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Andreas Mohr wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:47:35PM +0200, Jukka Heinonen wrote: > > After this patch winedos contains almost complete int31 > > emulation. What has not been moved to winedos is mostly > > functions that require either W32S_WINE2APP or W32S_APP2WINE. > > This makes me wonder whether Wine still needs to support WIN32S... > Well, of course it does. > Wine is supposed to run *all* reasonably new (i.e.: not "standard mode") > Windows programs, and that does include Win32s IMHO. Sure, I know that (I'm working on DPMI32 which isn't for standard mode Windows programs), I was probably being a bit unclear about what I was wondering about. It is quite difficult to find any information about Win32s nowadays and everything I have found was suggesting that Win32s was for running Win32 applications on Win16. Since Wine does run Win32 applications directly it just made me wonder whether Win32s support is something that was once needed when Wine only had Win16 support. But, since I know very little about Win32s, I can only wonder. It all depends on how Win32s applications differ from Win32 and Win16 applications. The existence of Win32s dlls seems to suggest that Win32s applications are not regular Win32 applications as well as the text in "msdos/vxd.c" which talks about some strange pointer mangling required with Win32s applications. This mangling is probably something that is only required if Wine supports official Win32s dlls. Which makes me wonder if Win32s dlls provided by Wine actually do work because they don't seem to do any pointer mangling. Well, it could be that Win32s applications do this pointer mangling internally. Anyway, I seem to have answered myself. If Wine is going to support Win32s applications using both builtin and official Win32s dlls, it needs pointer mangling. I just have to figure out how the required offset can be accessed from multiple dlls because I would really like to have all the interrupt handlers in one place. I still think that all the tricks required in order to support official Win32s dlls are quite ugly: all the routines that use linear addresses and are called directly by Win32s applications need to do pointer mangling and msdos/vxd.c actually modifies the official dlls in order to work around some problems. But since this most likely works already, I don't think I want to change anything. -- Jukka Heinonen <http://www.iki.fi/jhei/>

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Re: Wine history
by Robert Amstadt 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

> If you live near one of these people, buy them a beer. If any of the current developers live in or around San Jose, CA, U.S., I'd be happy to buy you a beer. Thank you, Dan, for digging up that history. It is always wierd though to read my past words and realize that someone is archiving them. ----- Bob Amstadt http://www.amstadt.com/~bob bob(a)amstadt.com

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Wine history
by Dan Kegel 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Here are a few early posts: ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Jul2.173648.3202%40amscons.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Subject: Re: Impressions of WABI/Univel vs Linux References: <C9JoGx.IMM(a)news2.cis.umn.edu> Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 17:36:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Message-ID: <1993Jul2.173648.3202(a)amscons.com> Lines: 7 Of course, for those of you who are interested in running Windows programs there is an effort in progress to create something similar to Sun's WABI. There is an activists channel, "WABI", for discussion of this project. There is need for many volunteers to complete this project. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Aug5.153058.1530%40amscons.com Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Subject: Re: WABI how good is it? References: <1993Aug4.134724.24562(a)jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <CB96AH.2GDK(a)austin.ibm.com> Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 15:30:58 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug5.153058.1530(a)amscons.com> Lines: 27 In <CB96AH.2GDK(a)austin.ibm.com> guyd(a)austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: >In article <1993Aug4.134724.24562(a)jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, arisz(a)csri.toronto.edu (Aris Zakinthinos) writes: >> I have been reading in the local papers about WABI being able to >> translate MS Windows API calls into X calls in real time. Has anybody >> tried it? Is it any good? How about those calls that somehow made it >> into the code but not the docs (i.e. the undocumented calls). I am >> curious to here what it is like. If this realy does work then I may >> never use MS Windows again!!!! How is it being distributed? >> >It's not available yet! >It's a Windows run time enviroment for Unix boxes - Sun started it and >are going to produce it for their boxes. I don't know who else is looking >to support it... Well, those of us in the Linux camp are working on a similar project. It could be extended to run on other Unix operating systems if they would be willing to provide us with the necessary call to manipulate the LDT for the process. Perhaps someone using one of the BSD derivatives would like to get involved with our project? Questions about this project may be directed toward me. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Aug17.200321.4496%40amscons.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Subject: Re: WABI/WINAPI - a Retraction References: <1993Aug17.143450.22682(a)cc.gatech.edu> Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 20:03:21 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug17.200321.4496(a)amscons.com> Lines: 19 In <1993Aug17.143450.22682(a)cc.gatech.edu> byron(a)cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: >2) The WABI folks aren't talking. I have not seen any software yet. Well, considering the fact that we only got started in June, I think we are pretty far along. We don't have any off-the-shelf binaries running yet, but we can run binaries that contain only implemented API functions. We are always looking for more help. Only four people have provided code to the current emulator. I would gues that 80% of that code has been written by two people. If you would like to join the effort, join the linux-activists WABI channel. The name of the project is now Wine, and we have a directory under /pub/linux/ALPHA on tsx-11. Currently there is only a README file which contains information about the status of the project. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com ============================ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=26ai6a%24mob%40samba.oit.unc.edu From: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Subject: Wine project status update Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc Date: 4 Sep 1993 17:10:34 GMT Organization: Amstadt Consulting Group Lines: 84 Approved: linux-announce(a)tc.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) Message-ID: <26ai6a$mob(a)samba.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: bob(a)amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) NNTP-Posting-Host: calypso.oit.unc.edu Summary: You like the Wine? The Wine is good? I get you more Wine. Keywords: WABI Wine MS Windows Emulator Originator: mdw@sunSITE Numerous people have requested that the project status of Wine be posted regularly. For the benifit of those people, I am posting the latest README file that I have uploaded to tsx-11... The Wine project for linux is an attempt to write something with similar functionality to the WABI that was developed by Sun. The basic goal is to be able to take a MS-Windows binary and run it under Linux with X-Windows running. The finished product will essentiaily consist of two parts: a) A program loader, which will load the Windows binary into the virtual memory of the linux process, provide a means for adjusting the ldt of the processor so that the 16-bit segments that are typically used with Windows binaries will work correctly, and provide a means for calling the Windows binary in the first place, allowing the Windows binary to call back to the 32-bit mode program, and finally allow the 32-bit mode program to call back again to the Windows binary (i.e. Windows callbacks). In each case, the arguments being passed wil have to be pulled from the appropriate stack and loaded on to the other stack (there will be a 16 bit and a 32 bit stack). Finally some application specfic DLL libraries will have to be loaded, and dynamic linking will have to be performed. b) The second part of the finished product is an emulation library, which takes calls to Windows functions, and somehow translates these into calls to X11 in one fashion or another, so that equivalent functionality is achieved. It should be pointed out that the Windows binary will be running directly - there will be no need for machine level emulation of the instructions. Sun has reported better performance with their version of WABI than is actually achieved under MS-Windows - theoretically the same result is possible under linux. The project got started as a result of discussions on comp.os.linux in early June of 1993. A mail channel was set up for discussions, and this directory was created. At the moment, all of the files that are uploaded are in the private directory in a hidden directory. The reason for this is that the program is really only of use to developers right now. Once something is ready for public consumption, it will be uploaded to a publicly visible directory. The final product will almost certainly be under the GNU Public License (or GPL for short). If you are interested in getting involved in this project, join the linux activists' WABI channel. If you have never joined a channel before, send mail to linux-activists-request(a)niksul.hut.fi. It will reply with a help message. New releases are approximately every Tuesday. All releases are announced to the WABI channel. Also, I will do my best to answer any question mailed to me. My address is "bob(a)amscons.com". *************************************************************** Status Report - September 3, 1993 Windows Solitaire is barely playable for the first time today. Special thanks go to Alexandre Julliard, Eric Youngdale, David Metcalfe and Peter MacDonald for their work on this project. If you live near one of these people, buy them a beer. It looks like the Linux kernel modifications are nearing completion. Hopefully the next Linux kernel (0.99.13 ?) will not require patching to run Wine. The loader portion is nearing completion. Sample Windows binaries are loaded correctly into memory, dynamicly linked and so forth. The 16/32 bit call interface is fairly complete. There are still a few features that remain to be added before it can be considered "done", but it is at the point where it is actually useful. Resource loading is only partially complete. A very minimal version of the emulation library has been merged with the loader. Windows can be created, DC's may be used, bitmaps are handled, text drawing is implemented, and a preliminary implementation of menus has been created. Bugs are still present in many of the implemented functions, but things are starting to look up. -- Bob Amstadt bob(a)amscons.com -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce(a)tc.cornell.edu

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Forgive the intrusion
by Robert Amstadt 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Please don't let me distract you from your important work, but Thomas Wickline asked me to stop in and say hello to all of you. I understand that we are approaching the 10 year anniversary of Wine. That is a remarkable feat. All of you should be proud to be contributing to this effort. It is an amazing piece of software. Though many of the names I see on the WineHQ web site are new to me. I continue to see Alexandre Julliard's name on this work. I had the pleasure of meeting Alexandre many years ago and I am so glad to see that he continues the work after so many years. Alexandre, if you read this, thank you very much for all that you have done for free software. Thank you to the rest of you as well. Wine has been a team effort from the start and is so successful because it is a team effort. When I stepped down from leading this project, I knew it would continue due to the efforts of all the people that have helped along the way. It not only has continued, but it clearly thrives. I'm amazed at the number of people that know what Wine is. Congratulations to all of you Wine developers. You are amazing people. ----- Bob Amstadt http://www.amstadt.com/~bob bob(a)amstadt.com

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