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Re: How about sponsoring from IBM?
by Roland 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Just to add a fact to my statements: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4656230-0.html quote:" IBM CEO Lou Gerstner announced IBM's $1 billion Linux commitment last month." (this was january 2001)

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Listview Unicodification (take 2 try B :))
by Dimitrie O. Paun 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Hi people, After a few more sleepless nights, I got the listview control close to something I'm willing to submit. The patch is here: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~dimi/listview-unicode-2.diff Last night I've sent a message to the list (including the patch), but I think it didn't like it because of it's size. Oh well. Testing: the control seems to work fine in the File Chooser, and the Common Control Spy Samples (thanks Francois!). Unfortunately, I could not try Gerard's test cases, as I don't have VC++, and the little program from www.timex.com doesn't seem to wanna run on my box (it complains of an invalid date format in section [Intl] of win.ini even if I can see no date format in there). Gerard, can you try it out, if you don't mind? Comments, suggestions, and/or ideas are welcomed, as always. -- Dimi.

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Small test
by Dimitrie O. Paun 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

I've sent a message about the ListView control, and I can't see it in the list's archives, nor have I received a copy of it, so I'm afraid something happened to it, and hence this test message. My apologies, Dimi.

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Regressions in Curse of Monkey Island again
by Johan Gill 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Sound is pretty stuttering in the intro to Curse of Monkey Island. I've put the last 20000 lines of a dsound trace at ttp://www.lysator.liu.se/~johane/comi.txt. At some occasions, these lines are quite frequent: trace:dsound:DSOUND_MixOne mixlen not worth it, deferring mixing Is that an issue? Could someone tell if the error is in the underlying audio system or in DirectSound itself? /Johan Gill, johane(a)lysator.liu.se

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first contribution
by Shane Shields 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

hi all, as my first contribution (implies that there is more to come ;-}) i have found and fixed a (very) minor bug in updown.c but i am at a loss as to what to do next. having read the documentation on cvs commit or cvs diff -u i am still scratching my head in confusion. can somebody give me a newbie type pointer as to what i can do? i have downloaded the latest cvs (todays date 13/1/2002) using cvs update -PAd, altered updown.c, tested that it compiles and am now waiting on fireproof instructions for the next steps (i burn easily :-)). Shane Shields To be a *nix programmer or to be a windows progammer that is the question. The answer is simple...Be a WINE programmer and do both. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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IBM, Notes, Wine and (necessary) version numbers for wine
by rob＠mediasolution.it 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Hi there, > One of the better ways to show the potential to IBM would be to find one of > their apps that *does* work under WINE and get it demoed to their > management. Although it sounds like some of them are already (internally) > using Notes under Linux? Let me use your message to speak about a "feature" of the wine developement model that's starting to "annoy" me: using "date-version" instead of a proper version number for the snapshot. I know I'm in no position to get annoyed by anything, since Iìve contributed no code or useful hints so far :-), but I'd really like to see this change. We all know Wine is evolving rather fast, and every 'n' months a major subsystem gets rewritten to be able to implement it the "right" way, windows speaking, or because the old implementation was only partially complete. That's not a problem, since this way wine becomes better and bettter. Where the problem is, however, is that I can't know when these changes, that usually bring forth major breakages in some/many applications, are done. I've been following wine-devel and wine-cvs and, back in June (IIRC) when the windows handling code was changed, I wasn't too surprised when Lotus Notes stopped working (and it's still broken in many ways, window repainting for example). Too bad SuSE people didn't follow the lists, and going from version 7.2 to version 7.3 of their distro, they "upgraded" their wine rpm package from 20010326 to 20010731. With the new version, notes doesn't start at all... I ask: isn't it about time to use version numbers, like in the linux kernel? I now you are working toward "1.0" release, but I guess some 0.6.x (stable) 0.7.x (unstable), 0.8.x (stable again) coudn't hurt, and this kind of versioning give hints to people on where to go and what to download if they want something stable or if they want the "newest". I think it's important to let wine users understand if the package they are about to install is a stable, well tested version, or an extremely new, developemental and untested version. In my opinion, some snapshot (like the April 2001 one) are definitely beta quality, so I think it's useful to let people know this, especially at a time like this when the Lindows people are saying "we fixed wine, going from alfa to release!"... I'd really like to know from which snapshot they started... Ciao, Roberto P.S. I hope to be more useful in future, since I'm starting my own business that will be based rather heavily on Linux, and this way I hope I'll be able to search and destroy the most annoying bugs I find.. :-)

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Re: The most likely way to get IBM to sponsor WINE development
by dschwarz＠bellatlantic.net 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

I've been following this discussion with some interest. I am a former Iris/Lotus/IBM employee, and I now run the Winecentric pages www.winecentric.com, basically a faq on how to run Lotus Notes and other programs under WINE. I have had unofficial conversations with Lotus product development managers; they have reacted to customer requests for the Lotus Notes client on Linux by doing their own testing, and they even publish an official page outlining how to run Lotus Notes with WINE. They don't offer customer support (that would cost millions). The best way to get IBM to sponsor WINE development is to persuade them to port their flagship applications to Linux. IBM/Lotus have a long history of using API translators to port products across platforms, including Lotus Notes and SmartSuite. If they were persuaded to port, say, VisualAge for Java and SmartSuite, using Winelib, we'd gain some new applications plus (hopefully) IBM would contribute any Winelib enhancements back. Just my 2 cents... Dan Schwarz help(a)winecentric.com

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Bad File Creation
by Guy L. Albertelli 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

In attempting to play with Outlook Express 5 under Wine, I find that the files created by OE are bad/damaged. The attachments are as follows: hoho.gif - view under Linux shows Folders.dbx as 75,204 hoho-win.gif - view under Windows shows Folders.dbx as 74K (pretty good). scandisk.gif - error message from scandisk under windows. hoho-win-after.gif - view under Windows shows Folders.dbx as 60K after repair. hoho.txt - selected pieces of the trace from Wine during the creation of Folders.dbx. Revisiting it under Linux shows the size is now 61,440. The Linux is RH 6.1 and the kernel is 2.2.12-20. This is the only file that this problem occurs on (not true, it also occurs on Inbox.dbx in the same folder). No other file that I create under Linux is damaged. I suspect that this may be due to Wine implementation of the call sequence of: GetFileSize(..) SetFilePointer(..) SetEndOfFile(..) Any comments or suggestions? Guy Albertelli <<galberte(a)neo.lrun.com>> Bathed in his currents of liquid helium, self-contained, immobile, vastly well informed by every mechanical sense: Shalmaneser. Every now and again there passes through his circuts a pulse which carries the cybernetic equivalent of the phrase, "Christ, what an imagination I've got. " - Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner

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Re: How about sponsoring from IBM?
by David.Goodenough＠DGA.co.uk 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

I would suggest that one of the things that would help would be for IBM development labs which are developing Windows code, such as the Lotus labs, to test their code under WINE as well as Windows, and if it does not work to report any problems they find with APIs to the WINE community, perhaps even with fixes as they can see what WINE is doing with their requests. Without the source code and the understanding of what they expect to happen it is difficult for WINE developers to work out why any app does not work (although the tracing gives many clues). This way WINE users get apps that work and the developers get good feedback. Roland <roland@netquant. To: Paul Clarke <pacman(a)us.ibm.com>, wine-devel(a)winehq.com com.br> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: How about sponsoring from IBM? wine-devel-admin@ winehq.com 01/11/02 05:47 PM At 08:35 AM 1/11/02 -0600, Paul Clarke wrote: >My attempt to convince you otherwise: > >http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux >http://www.ibm.com/linux > >Paul Clarke, IBM Good, so it really seems that IBM is commited to Linux. Now my question is, would it be too much to ask IBM to spend 1% of that 1 billion for Linux on WINE? Of course we are assuming that a full-featured WINE would DRASTICALLY increase the success of Linux. This would be in accordance with: "...with a shared vision of making Linux succeed." quote from http://www-124.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux/ If the assumption is true I think those 10 Million would be the best spent part of that 1 Billion. Paul, do you know the people in charge of the Linux sponsoring? How about talking to them about this idea? It would be interesting to hear what they say. Maybe they even don't know about the WINE project... Just my 0.000 000 001$ Roland

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Re: WinSpool Ordinal Addition
by Alexandre Julliard 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

"Mark G. Adams" <mgadams(a)sympatico.ca> writes: > In Windows 2000 (and I presume later), winspool.drv has some new functions. > The one this application is looking for turns out to be GetDefaultPrinter() > (ASCII version is ordinal 201, Unicode is 203). I've added the ASCII and > Unicode implementations of that function to winspool in the attached patch. > The ASCII version has been tested; I'd appreciate it if you could take a > glance at the Unicode version and see if I got the conversions correct. > > The application will now open the 'printer setup' dialog, instead of > returning an error. Exactly what error did you get before? And are you sure this is really an ordinal import? This seems the kind of things that Win95 does, but not so much Win2000. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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