This thread has become rather long and I don't have time to catch up completely on it though I'd like to add weight to those commenting on how Vitamin deals with the channel.
Being one of the many users to suffer his wrath when I first joined the wine community I can comment on just how off putting he can be. Having helped extensively in debian and several other channels I however understand how painful it can be. I wander in and help in winehq as often as I can these days and I notice the users we tend to get are worse than those of other channels, they rarely google, they do their best not to understand, and they expect far to much. Though at the end of the day these are the people we need to be changing and adding to the community.
Furthermore, I'd like to add the comment that the majority of the time Vitamin is perfectly calm and collected in his moderating, I'd like to stress this. Though some times he acts far outside what is required of him, no user in need should be banned, _ever_, and kicking should be reserved for real pains. Patience is really what is needed here and it is some thing Vitamin lacks at least some of the time.
While I don't mind the snide attitudes of those helping in the channel, as they are result of users being dealt with (and I am guilty of it myself), I would like to see a reduction in the ability to moderate those users so that they are not abused beyond reason.
At the end of the day you can use words far more effectively to deal with a nuisance than a ban and this is some thing any one with OP power needs to understand.
Edward
On Nov 6, 2007 7:27 AM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
Luke Bratch wrote:
After seeing Vitamin deal with people for a long time now, I can say I totally agree with how he does things.
Technically, he's spot on. It's his bedside manner that is broken. We really don't want him on the front line of support, somebody else should do that. But once the newbies are filtered out, he's great.
- Dan
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