Re: Pulse Audio -- Wine should have instructions on this web site

[Bryan Haskins]

I would totally agree with that, James. If ALSA worked perfectly, it's
really no problem getting it working "OOB" with Pulse, no specific sound
system needed.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:59 PM, James Hawkins  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Michael Stefaniuc 
> wrote:
> > James Hawkins wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Austin English <
>
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Bryan Haskins
>
> wrote:
> > > > > I'm more interested in a direct pulseaudio gateway for Wine...
>
> since by
> > > > > application sound control is the biggest thing here for most
>
> people.... wine
> > > > > is treated as one big audio blob. Pulse sees it as one thing. In
>
> effect,
> > > > > wine handles it's own audio (by talking with ALSA or OSS) then
>
> passes that
> > > > > through to the outside sound server... which in most cases would
>
> simply be
> > > > > ALSA or OSS itself, but in this case it gets passed to ALSA/OSS
>
> and through
> > > > > this talks to pulse. I call that pretty messy when we could just
>
> directly
> > > > > talk to pulse audio (easily, too) and have by applications
>
> control. Pulse is
> > > > > going to be in pretty much every distro soon. For a 1.0 release,
>
> no one
> > > > > wants to go out of their way to accomodate the shortcomings of
>
> our audio
> > > > > control.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even directly sending the blobof output to pulse directly at
>
> first would
> > > > > simplify things. I know this means yet asnother audio output
>
> method to
> > > > > maintain, and for various reasons many are against it. But this
>
> is similar
> > > > > to us needing to improve ALSA support rather recently. Pulseaudio
>
> does
> > > > > directly support ALSA, but it's a bit demanding on how it need to
>
> work to be
> > > > > perfect.
> > > > >
> > > > > ALSA, Pulseaudio, and OSS are probably the big three we need
>
> support for.
> > > > > Pulse is a drop in replacement for things like Network Sound, and
>
> way easier
> > > > > to configure and use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for expanding the topic so much.
> > > >
> > > > This has been brought up before, and it's quite a bit of work. You
> > > >  can't just simply forward everything to pulse call it a day, you'd
> > > >  need to implement a full structure/drivers/etc., which would
>
> require
> > > > quite a bit of time/work and is likely outside of the scope of 1.0.
> > >
> > > And I believe Julliard rejected the idea of adding a pulseaudio
>
> driver.
> > Nope! He isn't against a pulseaudio driver. He is against yet another
> >  broken and half implemented driver for the desktop sound system that
> >  happens to be en vogue at the moment.
> >
> > I think he would love to see a clean, full implemented pulseaudio
> >  driver; presented in a nice easy review-able patch series which cleans
> >  up the wineaudio driver mess en passant.
>
> "No, the right answer is to make the Alsa driver work right. We need to
> stop rushing out to write a new driver every time there's a problem with
> an existing one, all it leads to is more broken drivers."
> -Julliard
>
> http://winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2008-March/063755.html
>
> --
> James Hawkins