Below is a log of #winehq, from 9:44 to 10:09 on Wednesday August 15th: (09:43:50 PM) Pie-rate: my brother's girlfriend's WoW install is crashing (locking up, stops responding) randomly. she will install windows tomorrow if it doesn't get fixed. i don't like windows and i don't want to deal with it. the message it crashes with is: (09:43:50 PM) Pie-rate: err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x509da8c "?" wait timed out in thread 0047, blocked by 003e, retrying (60 sec) (09:43:50 PM) Pie-rate: this is with an install copied over from my computer, which i KNOW works flawlessly, and wine 0.9.41 (09:43:54 PM) carretto: vitamin: what? (09:44:10 PM) carretto: vitamin: _period? (09:44:15 PM) vitamin: <vitamin> carretto, you have to install the game on Wine (09:44:34 PM) vitamin: Pie-rate, oh well (09:44:43 PM) Pie-rate: vitamin: "oh well?" (09:44:46 PM) Pie-rate: vitamin: no magic fix? (09:44:55 PM) carretto: vitamin: wine <game install>? (09:45:11 PM) vitamin: carretto, something like that (09:45:33 PM) otaku [n=otaku@c-24-15-187-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] entered the room. (09:46:53 PM) carretto: vitamin: wine: Call from 0x40136e to unimplemented function MFC42.DLL.6929, aborting (09:47:10 PM) vitamin: carretto, get the newer version of that dll (09:49:56 PM) carretto: vitamin: i donwload MFC42.dll on dll.files and past to wine system folder (09:50:04 PM) vitamin: carretto, get the newer version of that dll (09:50:14 PM) carretto: here i get the newer version? (09:50:21 PM) vitamin: from windows (09:50:50 PM) carretto: vitamin: i download version v. 4.21.71 (09:51:32 PM) shingo2 [n=shingo@p5487EFF1.dip.t-dialin.net] entered the room. (09:52:27 PM) carretto: vitamin: where i get the new version? (09:54:48 PM) prgrmr [n=prgrmr@bzq-88-154-138-152.red.bezeqint.net] entered the room. (09:55:37 PM) _3 [n=lol@89-178-108-192.broadband.corbina.ru] entered the room. (09:57:20 PM) carretto: vitamin: can help me? (09:57:38 PM) vitamin: carretto, I already answered all your questions (09:57:50 PM) Pie-rate: vitamin: Read the topic. "End user/tech support channel for Wine." A derogatory-sounding "oh well" is nothing more than flamebait. Either say nothing, or help. That's what I try to do, and that's what's in the best interest of the project. I believe you are a channel admin, correct? Saying "oh well," without even trying to help is rude, but saying "oh well" without even trying to help, as a channel admin? That's like inviting people to an installfest, and then when they ask for help installing something saying "OH WELL" and spitting in their faces. (09:57:59 PM) vitamin: carretto, if you do not undestand answers, then RTFM, Google, etc (09:58:56 PM) carretto: vitamin: where i downlaod a newer version? (09:59:01 PM) vitamin: Pie-rate, Did I offered help? DId you came here looking for help? Or state that fact that you don't F** care and will switch to windows? (09:59:14 PM) vitamin: carretto, Last time: <vitamin> from windows (09:59:35 PM) Pie-rate: vitamin: i'm not the one switching to windows. (09:59:39 PM) vitamin: carretto, I do not f*** care where you download the file. You using _OLD_ version. you need _NEWER_ version of that file! (09:59:55 PM) Pie-rate: vitamin: bit testy, today? (09:59:59 PM) vitamin: carretto, here is the LATEST http://support.microsoft.com/dllhelp/default.aspx?l=55&fid=198511 (10:00:19 PM) vitamin: Pie-rate, STFU if you have nothing to say (10:00:46 PM) Pie-rate: vitamin: same to you. you are unnecessarily cussing out people in a help channel that you administrate. (10:01:33 PM) mode (+o vitamin ) by ChanServ (10:01:33 PM) mode (+b %*!*@cust-69-19-214-183.static.o1.com ) by vitamin (10:01:36 PM) mode (-o vitamin ) by ChanServ (10:05:08 PM) Triskelios: vitamin, you really should try to be civil (10:07:08 PM) wckdkl0wn: how would i run 2 copies of diablo 2 in wine? (2 copies in windows) (10:08:15 PM) vitamin: wckdkl0wn, use separate WINEPREFIX for both (10:08:25 PM) mardum [n=mardum@71-81-73-42.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] entered the room. (10:09:17 PM) vitamin: Triskelios, thanks for useless comment (10:09:35 PM) Triskelios: you're welcome ---------------------------end-----------------------------
Vitamin is a disgrace to the OSS community. It is "RTFM and google it" elitists like him who scare people away from switching to open source applications. The fact that he was made an admin is inexcusable.
Cussing out everyone asking for help is not behavior an admin should exhibit. I reported this incident in #winehackers, only to be told that there are no standards for wine admins. I suggest you get some standards, this is pathetic. I think my analogy is the best way to describe exactly WHY this is pathetic: "Saying "oh well," without even trying to help is rude, but saying "oh well" without even trying to help, as a channel admin? That's like inviting people to an installfest, and then when they ask for help installing something saying "OH WELL" and spitting in their faces."
No, the people in the channel aren't being paid anything to help me or anyone else. They can choose not to help me. But then, what is the point of having the channel at all? This kind of abuse is completely against the spirit of open source and it is despicable that an admin is exhibiting this behavior.
You may ask why I'm posting this to the development list. I believe it concerns everyone involved in the project when you have an admin cussing out anyone and everyone in the help channel, compromising its purpose. I suggest you develop some standards for your admins.