Unfortunately, Wine is very incomplete in the sense that you don't have to look far to find lots of bugs. Because of this, we don't usually have the same sense of urgency as other projects to fix them -- there is an infinite stream of them just around the corner.
Sure; that's why I was really surprised when I was told that 'usually bugs are fixed in 2 or 3 days'.
While well intentioned, you came of as demanding stuff (bugs fixed, apologies, whatever).
Nope. I tried to get attention and I succeeded with it, though this kind of 'pay me' reaction was unexpected.
As for your original proposal, the problem with it is that long term will hurt the project -- it will encourage people to work around bugs rather then help us fix them.
At least arguable. Looking from outside world, I would say that at current stage WINE needs as much 3rd-party applications as possible. If this is true, and given the (currently proven and admitted) fact that you guys do have lots of stuff to do even without additional feedback, I'd say that adding a regular workaround mechanism (with lots of disclaimers that it will be deprecated in the future) would help to increase WINE popularity as of now. In addtion, similar workarounds do exist now, but they are: a) tricky, b) irregular, c) undocumented.
From: Dimi Paun dimi@lattica.com To: John Smith devel8421@hotmail.com CC: jwhite@codeweavers.com, wine-devel@winehq.org Subject: Re: Reality check Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:59:51 -0400
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 13:27 +0000, John Smith wrote:
Come on, with this attitude we won't get anywhere. I'm also spending my time reporting the bugs I don't really care about (except generic 'making Wine better').
And that's appreciated. Unfortunately, Wine is very incomplete in the sense that you don't have to look far to find lots of bugs. Because of this, we don't usually have the same sense of urgency as other projects to fix them -- there is an infinite stream of them just around the corner.
Not an excuse -- I'm just trying to explain why we don't just on the bugs when they are filled in Bugzilla. Now that we have 0.9 on the way (hopefully followed by 1.0), this attitude seems to be changing.
We are all in the same boat, and on other open source projects (the one I'm working on - on my own, not employer time, BTW - included) reported bugs are treated as a help from the users, not with 'pay me to fix it' attitude.
That's a misunderstanding. I agree with you that the conversation has derailed rather sharply in that direction. However, this is not the attitude around here. It was a reaction to your perceived approach to the problem. While well intentioned, you came of as demanding stuff (bugs fixed, apologies, whatever).
It was a rough start -- it's easy to be misunderstood on mailing lists. Lets just relax and start fresh :)
As for your original proposal, the problem with it is that long term will hurt the project -- it will encourage people to work around bugs rather then help us fix them. That makes most sense for a company. We want the project to go forward, so we can not accept such a solution.
-- Dimi Paun dimi@lattica.com Lattica, Inc.
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