On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Michael Stefaniuc mstefani@redhat.com wrote:
James Hawkins wrote:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Austin English austinenglish@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Bryan Haskins ryuzaki90@gmail.com wrote:
I'm more interested in a direct pulseaudio gateway for Wine... since by application sound control is the biggest thing here for most people.... wine is treated as one big audio blob. Pulse sees it as one thing. In effect, wine handles it's own audio (by talking with ALSA or OSS) then passes that through to the outside sound server... which in most cases would simply be ALSA or OSS itself, but in this case it gets passed to ALSA/OSS and through this talks to pulse. I call that pretty messy when we could just directly talk to pulse audio (easily, too) and have by applications control. Pulse is going to be in pretty much every distro soon. For a 1.0 release, no one wants to go out of their way to accomodate the shortcomings of our audio control.
Even directly sending the blobof output to pulse directly at first would simplify things. I know this means yet asnother audio output method to maintain, and for various reasons many are against it. But this is similar to us needing to improve ALSA support rather recently. Pulseaudio does directly support ALSA, but it's a bit demanding on how it need to work to be perfect.
ALSA, Pulseaudio, and OSS are probably the big three we need support for. Pulse is a drop in replacement for things like Network Sound, and way easier to configure and use.
Sorry for expanding the topic so much.
This has been brought up before, and it's quite a bit of work. You can't just simply forward everything to pulse call it a day, you'd need to implement a full structure/drivers/etc., which would require quite a bit of time/work and is likely outside of the scope of 1.0.
And I believe Julliard rejected the idea of adding a pulseaudio driver.
Nope! He isn't against a pulseaudio driver. He is against yet another broken and half implemented driver for the desktop sound system that happens to be en vogue at the moment.
I think he would love to see a clean, full implemented pulseaudio driver; presented in a nice easy review-able patch series which cleans up the wineaudio driver mess en passant.
"No, the right answer is to make the Alsa driver work right. We need to stop rushing out to write a new driver every time there's a problem with an existing one, all it leads to is more broken drivers." -Julliard
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