Björn Krombholz wrote:
Hi,
I started a discussion inside AppDB about the in my eyes "strange" Gold rating of Fallout 3 (it's actually just an example, other entries suffer the same problems). I know there was a discussion about the rating on this list last month, but as far as I could see my particular issue wasn't covered and I only just subscribed. So here goes a new thread.
The appdb thread [1] is included below (prevent OT-cleanup deletion inside appdb). I don't expect anyone to read it completely, but I didn't want to repeat every argument again either. ;)
The basic point is: Fallout 3 (a game) only works with a small -- but nevertheless -- patch, otherwise it will crash, no matter what dll-overrides/settings/3rd-party apps.
From how I understand the wording in [2], an app that requires a patch
to run, can't get a gold rating. In fact, if there is no way to get it working in a vanilla wine release, then there is no other option than "Garbage" IMO. The various arguments for that assumption (possible breaking of other apps run by the same wine installation, regression tracking, etc.) are in the quote below.
The maintainer tried to convince me that a gold rating is valid, because Fallout 3 works great with the patch applied. Well obviously he failed, and the discussion went away from Fallout in particular to a more general interpretation of [2]. I'm neither saying I'm right and he's wrong, nor the other way around. IMO both interpretation can be valid, depending on how you read "some DLL overrides, other settings or third party software."
My suggestion now would be:
- Clarify the wording on what "other settings" really means (my
interpretation is mainly registry modifications with winecfg and/or regedit).
- Add an explicit statement about patched wine versions. Something like:
- Any application that requires a patched wine to run MUST NOT be
rated higher than "Garbage" (or whatever rating was intended for this situation).
[1] http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14322#Comme... [2] http://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings
Björn
Here is the rating system as I see it and most others:
Platinum: -- ALL functions are as they are in Windows with maybe minor usage difficulties WITHOUT change to Wine.
Gold -- ALL functions work as they do in Windows with only replacement of known broken dynamically linked library files. No code changes are acceptable. Patches, unless accepted by AJ, are not a reason to rate a program with this status.
Silver -- MAJOR functions work as they do in Windows with only replacement of known broken dlls.
Garbage -- Program does not function with Wine even if broken dlls are replaced. Needs major patching and/or repair work.
Sounds like you have the right opinion, the program should be rated Garbage as it does not work with Wine, even upon replacement of broken dlls.
James McKenzie