On 2 Nov 2002, Jeremy White wrote: [...]
For example, in your proposed structure, it is completely unclear to me what the difference between Support and Forums is. The IRC channel is one of our best support tools... but it's under Forums?
I'm not sure non-technical users would have the reflex to turn to IRC to get help. But maybe that's because I'm too old and prefer mailing lists. Anyway, forums are places where people talk to each other. Doesn't that nicely cover newsgroups, mailing lists and irc?
Similarly, what's the difference between Development and Contributing?
I think they are for a different audience. Also I am not sure it makes sense to put the content of the two on the same page. See for yourself:
http://www.winehq.com/about/index.php?contrib http://www.winehq.com/development/
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I actually think having a sequence of shorter pages is much more powerful than having an intimidatingly long page.
Frankly I prefer longer pages. But yes, there's a balance to strike. It's partly an issue of length, and partly an issue of whether all the content on the page is related, and presentation (e.g. I would not put Bugzilla's 'home page' in between two paragraphs).
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- Help!
3.1 FAQ 3.2 Documentation 3.2.1 Users Guide 3.2.2 Developers Guide 3.2.3 Troubleshooting (I left this in, but I don't know what it means) 3.2.4 Other documentation 3.2.4.1 Howto 3.2.4.2 Packagers doco 3.2.4.3 API Docs 3.3 Forums 3.3.1 Mailing Lists 3.3.2 Newsgroup 3.3.3 IRC Channel 3.4 Bugzilla 3.5 Commercial support
How is this simpler that Dimitrie's proposal (or mine)?
Most of the items are three levels deep! Not just in the excerpt above, throughout your menus. Some are even four levels deep. How do you display such a deep menu hierarchy on a web page? Sure you can but it will neither look good nor look simple.
In fact, the way it has been solved on the current Web site is by showing nothing except the top-level items. Here's an exercise now, go to http://www.winehq.com. Now, tell me:
* what is Wine? * where is the IRC channel? * where is the application database? * where do I find screenshots? * is there a Wine newsgroup? * how do I contribute?
Too much nesting just hides information and forces the user to dig down to find what he is looking for. And if he can't figure out where to dig he has to try all of them in turn. I want for proof that this problem exists the sub-titles which have obviously been put there in an attempt to solve it. But they are incomplete (Help does not mention commercial support, Wine Development says 'etc.', that's useful!), and won't let you go directly to the relevant item. You first have to click on 'Wine Development' and then hunt again for another link to where you want to go.
I think it's well worth it to have more top-level items if we can bring the hierarchy depth down to just two levels.
Well, writing this made me realize that there are issues in my proposal (and Dimitrie's), so I will go there and try to explain what's wrong and fix it up.