On 9/25/06, jimtabor jimtabor@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
James Hawkins wrote:
On 9/25/06, jimtabor jimtabor@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
Every Wine developer needs to read this, http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ and http://www.codeweavers.com/services/wine .
I'm a Wine developer, and I don't work for codeweavers. Why should I read that?
You don't need to.
Um...you just said "Every Wine developer needs to read this."
It is your job to provide support for this product, I spend money and I need help, where do I go?
It is not my job to provide support for this product. Even if you're referring to Dmitry and everyone else that works at Codeweavers, you're still wrong. This is the wine-devel mailing list, and has nothing to do with Codeweavers. You confuse Crossover Office and Wine as being the same product/project. Just because they work at Codeweavers, can they not also work on Wine and not have affiliation with Codeweavers? Of course they can, as can anyone else who has a real job outside of Wine.
NO! You are WRONG, sir! ~and I quote from http://www.codeweavers.com/services/
"Since 1999, CodeWeavers has been hiring the very best Wine developers. Chief among these is Alexandre Julliard http://www.codeweavers.com/about/people/alexandre/, the long-time maintainer of the Wine Project itself. In addition to Alexandre's prodigious talents, we have consistently hired the very best Wine resources, recruiting them literally worldwide."
Wine is CO as is CO is Wine! Wine is the heart of CO with out it CW would not have a product. They get paid for working on Wine to support CO. Don't you see that?!
You are severely confused. Maybe you should take some time and read up on what both Wine and Crossover Office are. Wine is an open source implementation of the Win32 API. Crossover Office is a support platform for running a very specific list of Windows application in Unix. The fact that Crossover is based on Wine doesn't mean that Wine is Crossover. Codeweavers employees take the time to contribute back to Wine, when they very well could take their code and walk (even though they do release the source to Crossover.) Every Wine developer that understands this, paid or not, appreciates the work of Codeweavers developers, as they appreciate the work of other Wine developers.
First, he doesn't represent Codeweavers on the wine-devel mailing list. Second, there's nothing unprofessional about his actions.
Missed my point! If his address has "name@codewreavers.com", than yes, that person does represent that organization.
This project is NOT LINUX or X11, it is a paid for add on to it.
Linus Torvalds is paid by OSDL. Andrew Morton is paid by Google. Many major companies (too many to list, but to name a few: IBM, Red Hat, Novell) employ engineers to work on Linux. Linux is not a paid-for project? Wine began in 1993 with no funding. Wine development continued unfunded till 1998, when Corel sponsored Wine development. Codeweavers began funding Wine development in 1998. Linux started as a volunteer project, just like Wine. Linux now has paid engineers, just like Wine. I don't see the distinction.
I pay good money for support and I expect to get it.
You pay Codeweavers, and you should expect support from them, and I have no doubt that you get that support. This is Wine, an open source project. No one here owes you anything, and that includes Codeweavers developers.
It is shocking to most FOSS code writers that maybe this is a real, truly, paid for project. "No! It can not be! I contribute to someones profit? NOOoooooooo~~~!".
I am well aware that Codeweavers funds most of Wine development, and I appreciate every bit of support coming from them, but this project would continue even without their support.
-- James Hawkins
NO! You are WRONG, sir! NOOoooooooo~~~!
P.S. You should really calm down. It's hard to take you seriously when you act immature.