On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:36:03 +0100 Mike Hearn mike@plan99.net wrote:
Well, that would be an improvement but people tend to just guess at what they need to type for programs like yum/apt. It's one of the problems they have. Does "yum install epiphany" install a web browser or a card game? You don't know unless you check beforehand (or try it).
That probably is true for a lot of users...
I think a meta package called "wine" that installed everything would be much better because that would do what end users would intuitively expect. And Wine isn't really a suite. It's a large, monolithic program. If it was a suite we'd realease separate tarballs upstream.
I would like that a lot better but then you have the problem that people who have wine installed now (and don't want the rest) will get everything on the next upgrade... I will think about it and discuss it with some other Fedora Extras people and see what their opinion is...
I know, and apologise for my harsh tone earlier. I think it's great you are here on wine-devel and working through the problems with us.
No problem... as long as we work for the same goals I don't mind it to much ;)
Hopefully you also understand the source of our frustration - I have wasted *many* hours debugging problems that turned out to be caused by bad packaging. This problem occurs all the time and when we eventually get one problem fixed, some other distro somewhere else gets it wrong again and we are back to square one. It feels like we never move forward on this issue.
I understand that and I hope that with some changes here and there we can (at least for the fedora stuff) minimize these problems. That is one part why I value input from upstream that much...
Also I'm afraid the answer of "report bugs to bugzilla.redhat.com" is not OK because it is not under our control. I'd say the vast majority of end users don't use distributor bug systems and never have, not even for Debian which has always had this policy. They post to wine-users, or IRC, or our bugzilla, or random web forums. And then we get to pick up the pieces.
Yes, and I hope in the future when they do report stuff it really is something with wine and not with the packages behind it.
- Andreas