Ubuntu likely to abandon HAL next cycle -- is this workable?

[Scott Ritchie]

Consensus here seems to be to try and remove HAL from the archive.

Wine still uses it, so this means we'll either need to lobby for keeping
HAL or to migrate to udisks.  Does udisks meet our needs?  Will it work
for a future USB driver?  Is someone working on the migration?

Thanks,
Scott Ritchie

[Damjan Jovanovic]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Scott Ritchie  wrote:
> Consensus here seems to be to try and remove HAL from the archive.
>
> Wine still uses it, so this means we'll either need to lobby for keeping
> HAL or to migrate to udisks.  Does udisks meet our needs?  Will it work
> for a future USB driver?  Is someone working on the migration?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott Ritchie

Udisks has regressed from the portability of HAL to being Linux-only,
what are we going to do for BSDs/Solaris/others?

Damjan Jovanovic

[Alexandre Julliard]

Damjan Jovanovic  writes:
> Udisks has regressed from the portability of HAL to being Linux-only,
> what are we going to do for BSDs/Solaris/others?

Of course even if we add udisks we'll keep the HAL support around. It's
necessary for backwards compatibility, which is something we take
seriously, unlike Ubuntu.

[Scott Ritchie]

On 05/12/2011 07:02 PM, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
> Damjan Jovanovic  writes:
> > Udisks has regressed from the portability of HAL to being Linux-only,
> > what are we going to do for BSDs/Solaris/others?
>
> Of course even if we add udisks we'll keep the HAL support around. It's
> necessary for backwards compatibility, which is something we take
> seriously, unlike Ubuntu.

The distro position is that HAL has no upstream, is unmaintained, and
conflicts with udisks/upower to the point where stuff starts breaking
(eg, the battery monitor gets confused and reports you have 5% and 6
hours left)

[Marcus Meissner]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:48:23AM +0200, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> On 05/12/2011 07:02 PM, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
> > Damjan Jovanovic  writes:
> > > Udisks has regressed from the portability of HAL to being Linux-only,
> > > what are we going to do for BSDs/Solaris/others?
> >
> > Of course even if we add udisks we'll keep the HAL support around. It's
> > necessary for backwards compatibility, which is something we take
> > seriously, unlike Ubuntu.
>
> The distro position is that HAL has no upstream, is unmaintained, and
> conflicts with udisks/upower to the point where stuff starts breaking
> (eg, the battery monitor gets confused and reports you have 5% and 6
> hours left)

The truth is more:

- HAL upstream is the same as udisk upstream
- HAL was abandoned in favour of udisk.

ciao, Marcus

[Marcus Meissner]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 08:33:49AM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:48:23AM +0200, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> > On 05/12/2011 07:02 PM, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
> > > Damjan Jovanovic  writes:
> > > > Udisks has regressed from the portability of HAL to being Linux-only,
> > > > what are we going to do for BSDs/Solaris/others?
> > >
> > > Of course even if we add udisks we'll keep the HAL support around. It's
> > > necessary for backwards compatibility, which is something we take
> > > seriously, unlike Ubuntu.
> >
> > The distro position is that HAL has no upstream, is unmaintained, and
> > conflicts with udisks/upower to the point where stuff starts breaking
> > (eg, the battery monitor gets confused and reports you have 5% and 6
> > hours left)
>
> The truth is more:
> - HAL upstream is the same as udisk upstream
> - HAL was abandoned in favour of udisk.

But yes, it is not in the openSUSE default anymore... So it is time
to replace .

Ciao, Marcus

[Detlef Riekenberg]

Am Donnerstag, den 12.05.2011, 12:28 +0200 schrieb Scott Ritchie:
> Consensus here seems to be to try and remove HAL from the archive.
>
> Wine still uses it, so this means we'll either need to lobby for keeping
> HAL or to migrate to udisks.

I expect for Wine:
udisk (current linux) | hal (for older linux and other os)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21713