Dragon NS7 on wine

Sorry Rene, I thought this thread should have a title that related to  
Dragon. By all means continue your v8 attempts under ViaVoice alias. ;)

you have restimulated my interest in this so I will push ahead with v7  
since I did not have some of the issues you are having with v8. I'm pretty  
sure the guts of the thing are identical as far as speach rec. technology  
goes.

Recap:

*  app-emulation/wine :
         [  I] 20041019-r3 (0)

.wine/config attached

This is on a clean installation of the above version. I copied the config  
 from a prev installation but I dont think there any magic.

Installed from a CD using :

WINEDLLOVERRIDES="ole32,oleaut32,rpcrt4=n" wine h:setup.exe

No issues at all with installshield. One thing to note is to move all dlgs  
to one side since at some stage there is a yes/no modal dlg that pops up  
centre screen but does not come to the top of the z-order. Since it is  
hidden behind the logo/dlg and it does not have the focus you cannot  
access it.

I deselected the quickstart option and the Text to speach files and opted  
for UK English lang model.

Once install finished I did wineboot and got the following:

prof@newsys ~/.wine/c $ wineboot
fixme:ddeml:DdeConnectList (1,0xc000,0xc000,(nil),(nil)): stub
fixme:ddeml:DdeQueryNextServer (0x1,(nil)): stub
fixme:ddeml:DdeDisconnectList (0x1): stub
err:wineboot:runCmd Failed to run command (0)
err:wineboot:ProcessRunKeys Error running cmd #1 (0)

Did not dig for detail m but I dont think there is anything critical there.
(We are not expecting DDE to work!)

Now the sticky bit :

wine natspeak.exe
fixme:vxd:VXD_Open Unknown/unsupported VxD L"nwlink.vxd". Try setting  
Windows version to 'nt40' or 'win31'.
err:toolbar:TOOLBAR_TestImageExist index 8 is not valid, max 8
err:toolbar:TOOLBAR_TestImageExist index 9 is not valid, max 8
............

fixme:mixer:MIX_GetLineInfo Unhandled component type  
(MIXERLINE_COMPONENTTYPE_DST_VOICEIN)
fixme:mixer:MIX_GetLineInfo Unhandled component type  
(MIXERLINE_COMPONENTTYPE_DST_VOICEIN)
fixme:mixer:MIX_GetLineInfo Unhandled component type  
(MIXERLINE_COMPONENTTYPE_DST_VOICEIN)

This seems similar to the probs Rene Rebe reported with ViaVoice.

Apart from this the Dragon tool bar comes up cleanly and allows me to open  
DragonPad editor. There seems to be no other major issues which is  
promising.

I was able to short circuit this issue with NS v4 by skipping the audio  
setup and running gentrain.exe directly since the real prerequisit is to  
run the user training setup.

Running the training through natspeak (which is reqd. before you can do  
anything with the mike) first tries to set the mike level and we stump.

Two approaches seem possible:

1/ Set the mike level in Linux and con NS that is has been set.
2/ Resolve the technical issue with wineoss / winealsa so that it can  
control the mike and do what it "thinks" it needs to do.

2 is ultimately what needs to be done but is out of my hands.

1 seems more accessible but last time I looked I did not find anything in  
the ini files , probably need to do some reg hacking. Poss with ref to a  
true wine install of v7

Ideas / thoughts...

Regards.

[René Rebe]

Hi,

On Thursday 09 June 2005 01:00, [e-mail] wrote:
> Installed from a CD using :
>
> WINEDLLOVERRIDES="ole32,oleaut32,rpcrt4=n" wine h:setup.exe

Why do you  do this? What errors do you get otherwise?

Aside from the problem described in the thread "TMStubImpl_Invoke Does not 
support iface" using my existing big wine-c with IE and AutoCAD the setup.exe 
does install the files without the above overrides. The "only" problem I get 
is:

err:module:find_forwarded_export module not found for forward 
'Ole32.DllRegisterServer' used by L"C:\windows\system\comcat.dll"

And then when trying to start the applications a dlg that tells me that the 
'nstex50.dll' can not be found though it is present in the c/Program 
Files/ScanSoft/NaturallySpeaking/Program which also is my working directory 
where I start e.g. the natspeak in ...
> No issues at all with installshield. One thing to note is to move all dlgs
> to one side since at some stage there is a yes/no modal dlg that pops up
> centre screen but does not come to the top of the z-order. Since it is
> hidden behind the logo/dlg and it does not have the focus you cannot
> access it.

Yep - same here. However I can move the dialogs covered behind the 
Scansoft/Dragon splassh screen to click ok ...
> Now the sticky bit :
>
> wine natspeak.exe
> fixme:vxd:VXD_Open Unknown/unsupported VxD L"nwlink.vxd". Try setting
> Windows version to 'nt40' or 'win31'.
> err:toolbar:TOOLBAR_TestImageExist index 8 is not valid, max 8
> err:toolbar:TOOLBAR_TestImageExist index 9 is not valid, max 8

Hm - I do not get those - "just" the nstex50.dll not found error above.

Yours,

[René Rebe]

Hi again,

On Friday 10 June 2005 09:53, René Rebe wrote:
> And then when trying to start the applications a dlg that tells me that the
> 'nstex50.dll' can not be found though it is present in the c/Program
> Files/ScanSoft/NaturallySpeaking/Program which also is my working directory
> where I start e.g. the natspeak in ...

Here is a log of "WINEDEBUG=+loaddll,+dll wine natspeak.exe":

trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"kernel32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\advapi32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\gdi32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\user32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\ole32.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\msvcrt.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\shlwapi.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\comctl32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\shell32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\OLEAUT32.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\winspool.drv" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\comdlg32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\DMFC6.DLL" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\MSVCP60.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\winmm.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\lz32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\version.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\imm32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\dd10HOOK.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\dd10SCRP.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\RPCRT4.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\sx96v32.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\SrPump.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\Wav.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\Mobile.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\dd10SHRD.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\DD10TROB.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\winclass.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\speechtools.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\lhcom02W.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\lhsp01.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\DgnMyCmds.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\dd10slme.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:MODULE_LoadModule16 Loaded module "krnl386.exe" : builtin
trace:dll:fill_init_list (krnl386.exe) - START
trace:dll:fill_init_list (krnl386.exe) - END
trace:loaddll:MODULE_LoadModule16 Loaded module "system.drv" : builtin
trace:dll:fill_init_list (system.drv) - START
trace:dll:fill_init_list (system.drv) - END
trace:loaddll:MODULE_LoadModule16 Loaded module "gdi.exe" : builtin
trace:dll:fill_init_list (gdi.exe) - START
trace:dll:fill_init_list (gdi.exe) - END
trace:loaddll:MODULE_LoadModule16 Loaded module "user.exe" : builtin
trace:dll:fill_init_list (user.exe) - START
trace:dll:fill_init_list (user.exe) - END
trace:loaddll:MODULE_LoadModule16 Loaded module "keyboard.drv" : builtin
trace:dll:fill_init_list (keyboard.drv) - START
trace:dll:fill_init_list (keyboard.drv) - END
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\winex11.drv" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\wineoss.drv" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\msacm32.dll" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\msacm.drv" : builtin
trace:loaddll:MODULE_LoadModule16 Loaded module "mmsystem.dll" : builtin
trace:dll:fill_init_list (mmsystem.dll) - START
trace:dll:fill_init_list (mmsystem.dll) - END
trace:dll:NE_CallDllEntryPoint Calling mmsystem.dll DllEntryPoint, 
cs:ip=11ff:03f9
trace:loaddll:load_builtin_dll Loaded module L"c:
\windows\system\midimap.drv" : builtin
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:\Program 
Files\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking\Program\DgnMyCmds_enu.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\PROG~FBU\ScanSoft\NATU~BD1\Program\dd10rdeu.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\PROG~FBU\ScanSoft\NATU~BD1\Program\dd10oem.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\RICHED20.dll" : native
trace:loaddll:load_native_dll  Loaded module L"C:
\windows\system\RICHED32.DLL" : native
trace:loaddll:MODULE_FlushModrefs Unloaded module L"C:
\windows\system\RICHED32.DLL" : native
trace:loaddll:MODULE_FlushModrefs Unloaded module L"C:
\windows\system\RICHED20.dll" : native

So it is not trying to load the 'nstex50.dll' guess it is doing some flie 
loopup (stat equivalent) on it and complains before trying to load or so. Any 
idea how I can convince it to search in the "c/Program 
Files/ScanSoft/NaturallySpeaking/Program" where the dll is located after the 
installation ?

Yours,

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:46:00 +0200, René Rebe  wrote:
> WINEDLLOVERRIDES="ole32,oleaut32,rpcrt4=n" wine h:setup.exe

Why do you  do this? What errors do you get otherwise?

No, I got that line from frankscorner, it worked.
> So it is not trying to load the 'nstex50.dll' guess it is doing some flie
> loopup (stat equivalent) on it and complains before trying to load or so.
> Any
> idea how I can convince it to search in the "c/Program
> Files/ScanSoft/NaturallySpeaking/Program" where the dll is located after
> the
> installation ?
> Yours,

Like you say it's clearly not even trying to load it.

Not sure what it is doing to check it presence, maybe it expects it to be  
in PATH.

You could try copying it to /windows/system

I get no errordlg when I run it but it stalls on the audio setup as I  
posted details earlier.

Can you clarify? Are you testing v7 here?

Regards.

[René Rebe]

Hi,
> > So it is not trying to load the 'nstex50.dll' guess it is doing some flie
> > loopup (stat equivalent) on it and complains before trying to load or so.
> > Any
> > idea how I can convince it to search in the "c/Program
> > Files/ScanSoft/NaturallySpeaking/Program" where the dll is located after
> > the
> > installation ?
> > Yours,
>
> Like you say it's clearly not even trying to load it.
>
> Not sure what it is doing to check it presence, maybe it expects it to be
> in PATH.

What PATH does wine use? The U*ix one?
> You could try copying it to /windows/system

Tried that - no difference.
> I get no errordlg when I run it but it stalls on the audio setup as I
> posted details earlier.

I can start the audio setup seperatly - that part seem to work on my 
side :-(((
> Can you clarify? Are you testing v7 here?

Yes - that is v7 - v8 does - due to the USB stack installer - not install.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:23:20 +0200, René Rebe  wrote:
> I can start the audio setup seperatly - that part seem to work on my
> side :-(((

I was able to run wine audio.exe

I let is start and turn off the mike ! Then I turn it back on and am able  
to complete the volume setting and quality test. I just got through with  
s/n of 15. (I got 22 on win but it is possible that I have changed my  
sound card since.)

However , when I come back and run natspeak.exe it still says my user has  
not run the audio setup and I am back to square one.

Maybe your dll issue has meant that you have not come up against this yet  
:(

Regards.

[René Rebe]

Hi,

On Saturday 11 June 2005 01:13, you wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:23:20 +0200, René Rebe  wrote:
> > I can start the audio setup seperatly - that part seem to work on my
> > side :-(((
>
> I was able to run wine audio.exe
>
> I let is start and turn off the mike ! Then I turn it back on and am able
> to complete the volume setting and quality test. I just got through with
> s/n of 15. (I got 22 on win but it is possible that I have changed my
> sound card since.)

I got s/n of 23 IIRC. With a AKG D3700 microphone on my on-board sound chip - 
I could try if it is significantly better on a Midiman Delta 1010 - 10 
channel 24bit 96kHz studio card, ... ,.-)
> However , when I come back and run natspeak.exe it still says my user has
> not run the audio setup and I am back to square one.
>
> Maybe your dll issue has meant that you have not come up against this yet

I really wonder which tiny bit is missing to make natspeak load this damn dll 
- I tried your config with no difference ...

Yours,

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:13:20 +0200,  wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:23:20 +0200, René Rebe  wrote:
> > I can start the audio setup seperatly - that part seem to work on my
> > side :-(((
>
> I was able to run wine audio.exe

It seems that running the audio setup from command line gets around the  
blockage that there is in running it through the GUI, (in fact there it is  
a dlg just before it executes audio setup that blocks.)

However it is the vocab training that we really need to get to for the  
user.

This used to be (circa v4) gentrain.exe , that file is no longer there.

Any idea how to do this outside the GUI?

Regards.

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:28:28 +0200,  wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:13:20 +0200,  wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:23:20 +0200, René Rebe  wrote:
> > > I can start the audio setup seperatly - that part seem to work on my
> > > side :-(((
> >
> > I was able to run wine audio.exe
>
> It seems that running the audio setup from command line gets around the  
> blockage that there is in running it through the GUI, (in fact there it  
> is a dlg just before it executes audio setup that blocks.)
>
> However it is the vocab training that we really need to get to for the  
> user.
>
> This used to be (circa v4) gentrain.exe , that file is no longer there.
>
> Any idea how to do this outside the GUI?

just remembered there is now gentrain.dll if that's any help.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:23:20 +0200, René Rebe  wrote:
> > You could try copying it to /windows/system
>
> Tried that - no difference.

bash# ls ~/.wine/c/windows/Speech/Dragon
Elantts.dll  dd10enum.dll  dnstk10.dll  nsinstalled.ini  nsvbld50.dll
Uninst.isu   dmfc.dll      elantts.exe  nstex50.dll

Just found this. Another location for your dll. Again the exact err msg  
would be helpful maybe.

Also:
  cat *ini

[NaturallySpeaking 7.0]
Install=C:\progs\Nat7\Program

That's where I put mine.
I am wondering whether you have v7 and v8 installed and there is some  
confusion due to that.

HTH

[René Rebe]

Hi,

On Saturday 11 June 2005 02:02, [e-mail] wrote:
> > > You could try copying it to /windows/system
> >
> > Tried that - no difference.
>
> bash# ls ~/.wine/c/windows/Speech/Dragon
> Elantts.dll  dd10enum.dll  dnstk10.dll  nsinstalled.ini  nsvbld50.dll
> Uninst.isu   dmfc.dll      elantts.exe  nstex50.dll
>
> Just found this. Another location for your dll. Again the exact err msg
> would be helpful maybe.

Hm - your version seems to be different enough to make the difference from 
working to not start up ...

I can neither change the install path during the installation (the dialog will 
just use the default string when I click on ok when I entered my own one) - 
and my registry does neither contain such an entry:
> [NaturallySpeaking 7.0]
> Install=C:\progs\Nat7\Program

Only many other NS entries ...
> That's where I put mine.
> I am wondering whether you have v7 and v8 installed and there is some
> confusion due to that.

I never got v8 to install - and I always start will clean wine installs, since 
I make a tar snapshot everytime I got s.th. new to work - and also tried with 
less stuff installed to see if e.g. some other applications changes the 
behaviour.

Yours,

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:55:24 +0200, René Rebe  wrote:
> I never got v8 to install - and I always start will clean wine installs,
> since
> I make a tar snapshot everytime I got s.th. new to work - and also tried
> with
> less stuff installed to see if e.g. some other applications changes the
> behaviour.

Very wise, you are obviously thorough in the way you work but these  
questions have to be asked when tracking down a problem.
> and my registry does neither contain such an entry:

not a reg entry it was in the file nsinstalled.ini in the directory I  
indicated. Maybe I was not clear enough when I types "cat *ini"

What do you have in ~/.wine/c/windows/Speech/Dragon ?
> I can neither change the install path during the installation ...

You should be able to. I did have to "insist" a bit , it did revert once  
but I managed to go back and get the directory I wanted.
> > > And then when trying to start the applications a dlg that tells me that

the  'nstex50.dll' can not be found

This may be a corrolary of you your comcat error which I do not get.

Try googling for comcat.dll , in particular this seems relevant.

http://www.gky.com/HFWTechNotes/tn00005.htm

bis spaeter

[René Rebe]

Hi,

On Saturday 11 June 2005 11:45, [e-mail] wrote:
> > and my registry does neither contain such an entry:
>
> not a reg entry it was in the file nsinstalled.ini in the directory I
> indicated. Maybe I was not clear enough when I types "cat *ini"
>
> What do you have in ~/.wine/c/windows/Speech/Dragon ?

-rw-r--r--  1 rene users 74 Jun 11 10:11 
c/windows/speech/Dragon/nsinstalled.ini

I tried copying the nstex50.dll that NS is missing into that dir - but it did 
not help. The .ini has this content:

[NaturallySpeaking 7.0]
Install=c:\PROG~FBU\ScanSoft\NATU~BD1\Program

It seems our NS 7 versions differ quite a bit in the way they spread and 
install files ... :-(((

Yours,

[René Rebe]

HI,

On Saturday 11 June 2005 02:02, you wrote:
> Just found this. Another location for your dll. Again the exact err msg
> would be helpful maybe.

I gave it in the previous mail:
> err:module:find_forwarded_export module not found for forward
> 'Ole32.DllRegisterServer' used by L"C:\windows\system\comcat.dll"
> And then when trying to start the applications a dlg that tells me that the 
> 'nstex50.dll' can not be found though it is present in the c/Program 
> Files/ScanSoft/NaturallySpeaking/Program which also is my working directory 
> where I start e.g. the natspeak in ...

I just rerun the install in a clean wine-ie snapshot:

The only error during the installation I get is a pop up dialog telling me:

Result:
DllRegisterServer() Return code: 800401f0

At that time I get this on the terminal:

err:module:find_forwarded_export module not found for forward 
'Ole32.DllRegister
Server' used by L"C:\windows\system\comcat.dll

Which might be related - I guess the installer wants to register the dll or so 
which fails?

Yours,