Aric Stewart aric@codeweavers.com wrote:
The simple of it is.. you, Patrik, would not buy a Wine distribution form us. Why would you? You are a developer, and a wine developer on top of that.
What seems to be the most commercially successful mode on top of opensource is to have an opensource base and have a value-add component - but I have yet to see a successful mode that has no propriatary component.
It is these sorts of people and companies that we want to target. And financially Patrik's money for his license or even the money form all the wine developers would be nearly insignificant compared to a 100+ seat site license.
uh, how can you sell a N-seat site license with something that is covered by *GPL (since this would be a violation of the license)? If your model is to sell by seat, I would like you see the reasoning between the difference of a 10 seat license and a 100 seat license with the *GPL.
As a developer who has worked on far too many proprietary Wine trees and seen all the fights the Jeremy has gone through. I want to be assured that i can give my code back to the wine community.
As I said before, if a copyleft is all that is needed, choose a copyleft that makes SENSE. LGPL may be convienient, but I have seen no rational argument in having the *GPL's brand of copyleft (other than it's widely used). I think the mozilla project would be a good place to look...
-r
On 2002.02.16 10:50 Roger Fujii wrote:
Aric Stewart aric@codeweavers.com wrote:
The simple of it is.. you, Patrik, would not buy a Wine distribution form us. Why would you? You are a developer, and a wine developer on
top of that.
What seems to be the most commercially successful mode on top of opensource is to have an opensource base and have a value-add component - but I have yet to see a successful mode that has no propriatary component.
At the moment, this is true. Most of the open source companies have at least some proprietary software built on top of an open source foundation.
Right now the market for open source software is small. Most of the people who know about open source software aren't willing to pay for support because they can just support themselves. If/when open source has more market share selling open source software with your only value-add being product support may become much more viable. I think that in fact it will become much more viable. The key is that in order to make this model work you need to be selling to a market that is unable or unwilling to provide their own support. As mentioned before, Red Hat may not be doing great, but if you take into account that they have a very small viable market (that is, the people actually willing to pay for support) then they are doing pretty damn well.
It is these sorts of people and companies that we want to target. And financially Patrik's money for his license or even the money form all the wine developers would be nearly insignificant compared to a 100+ seat site license.
uh, how can you sell a N-seat site license with something that is covered by *GPL (since this would be a violation of the license)? If your model is to sell by seat, I would like you see the reasoning between the difference of a 10 seat license and a 100 seat license with the *GPL.
If you are selling support then you can most definitely sell per-seat. You cannot expect to sell a free product without some sort of value added. That value can be a proprietary component or can be support for free components or can be other stuff that no-one as yet thought of. If your business model is to sell only what your customers can get for free then you are really, really, really, stupid.
As a developer who has worked on far too many proprietary Wine trees
and
seen all the fights the Jeremy has gone through. I want to be assured
that
i can give my code back to the wine community.
As I said before, if a copyleft is all that is needed, choose a copyleft that makes SENSE. LGPL may be convienient, but I have seen no rational argument in having the *GPL's brand of copyleft (other than it's widely used). I think the mozilla project would be a good place to look...
This is a very valid argument. Although realize that they are now MPL/LGPL/GPL triple licensed. And the only reason I could see for having the MPL in there was so Netscape can take the code and release closed-source versions. This doesn't really work well for Wine as the codebase is not owned by a single entity.
If you have a copyleft license that you feel would make more sense for Wine than the LGPL, please discuss it with us.
-Dave
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