Hi all,
since several months a user Rozanne is changing AppDB entries without contacting the maintainers. Most of the changes so far were minor changes. But today I was informed that Rozanne just deleted an entry which was maintained by me. According to the email I received, there were duplicated entries for the programm Mapsource. I regard deleting entries from Appdb without giving the maintainer a chance to backup what they maintained a *very* unfriendly act. I would have merged the two entries under one to save the valuable information users added to AppDB. Just deleting entries from AppDB, deletes information the wine community collected to support using wine. Users spent a lot of time and just deleting their work is *not* acceptable.
Can someone of the adminstrators of AppDB please make sure that Rozanne stops deleting entries from AppDB without informing the maintainers before. I would expect to be informed about such an action before and that I as a maintainer have the right to discuss was is being delete and what not.
Thanks,
Klaus
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Klaus Layer klaus.layer@gmx.de wrote:
Hi all,
since several months a user Rozanne is changing AppDB entries without contacting the maintainers. Most of the changes so far were minor changes. But today I was informed that Rozanne just deleted an entry which was maintained by me. According to the email I received, there were duplicated entries for the programm Mapsource. I regard deleting entries from Appdb without giving the maintainer a chance to backup what they maintained a *very* unfriendly act. I would have merged the two entries under one to save the valuable information users added to AppDB. Just deleting entries from AppDB, deletes information the wine community collected to support using wine. Users spent a lot of time and just deleting their work is *not* acceptable.
Can someone of the adminstrators of AppDB please make sure that Rozanne stops deleting entries from AppDB without informing the maintainers before. I would expect to be informed about such an action before and that I as a maintainer have the right to discuss was is being delete and what not.
Thanks,
Klaus
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The screenshots you submitted for MapSource 6.13.7 have been deleted because MapSource 6.13.7 was deleted. The action was performed by Rosanne Reasons given The parent entry was deleted. The reason given for that deletion was: Duplicate entry
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Well, Rozanne _is_ an AppDB administrator, hence the permission to delete those entries.
That said, yes, notice should be given.
Am Freitag, 6. März 2009 21:42:18 schrieben Sie:
Well, Rozanne _is_ an AppDB administrator, hence the permission to delete those entries.
That said, yes, notice should be given.
-- -Austin
He/she never gave any notice. I just noticed that several weeks ago another program has being deleted by that person. Are there any policies for deleting AppDB entries? Is there a way to restore the deleted entries?
Regards,
Klaus
2009/3/6 Klaus Layer klaus.layer@gmx.de:
Am Freitag, 6. März 2009 21:42:18 schrieben Sie:
Well, Rozanne _is_ an AppDB administrator, hence the permission to delete those entries.
That said, yes, notice should be given.
-- -Austin
He/she never gave any notice. I just noticed that several weeks ago another program has being deleted by that person. Are there any policies for deleting AppDB entries? Is there a way to restore the deleted entries?
Regards,
Klaus
If the entries are sufficiently old I have a backup of the AppDB from a few weeks ago from which we can recover data if necessary.
-Zach
2009/3/6 Klaus Layer klaus.layer@gmx.de:
Am Freitag, 6. März 2009 21:42:18 schrieben Sie:
Well, Rozanne _is_ an AppDB administrator, hence the permission to delete those entries.
That said, yes, notice should be given.
-- -Austin
He/she never gave any notice. I just noticed that several weeks ago another program has being deleted by that person. Are there any policies for deleting AppDB entries? Is there a way to restore the deleted entries?
Regards,
Klaus
If the entries are sufficiently old I have a backup of the AppDB from a few weeks ago from which we can recover data if necessary.
-Zach
I have not been deleting entries per se; I have on occasion merged duplicate entries using "Move child objects." However, I was unaware until now that not everything in the merged entry was being transferred when I did this. I apologize for that; I did not realize that information was being lost. It will not happen again.
2009/3/6 Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net:
I have not been deleting entries per se; I have on occasion merged duplicate entries using "Move child objects." However, I was unaware until now that not everything in the merged entry was being transferred when I did this. I apologize for that; I did not realize that information was being lost. It will not happen again.
Suggestion to improve AppDB: make it a free text wiki, with necessary structure being imposed by those writing it, and complete history preserved.
- d.
2009/3/7 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
Suggestion to improve AppDB: make it a free text wiki, with necessary structure being imposed by those writing it, and complete history preserved.
2009/3/7 IneedAname wineappdb@googlemail.com:
This is why I want a wiki like change log for restoring stuff and checking the history.
A wiki is likely to be highly unsuccessful for AppDB when the focus is on test data.
Regarding the changelog/history, it'd even be possible to use git to manage AppDB entries. It's perfectly possible to implement a complete history without moving to a wiki, but in my opinion only admins should have access to the history.
Note that history is only useful when entries get edited or deleted. Most of the time, entries are edited or rejected by admins and moderators before they are comitted to the AppDB in the first place. What we're talking about here, one way or another, is housekeeping.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 00:10:59 +1100 Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com wrote:
A wiki is likely to be highly unsuccessful for AppDB when the focus is on test data.
I'm thing about the notes made by the app maintainers. Not the whole AppDB.
2009/3/8 IneedAname wineappdb@googlemail.com:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 00:10:59 +1100 Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com wrote:
A wiki is likely to be highly unsuccessful for AppDB when the focus is on test data.
I'm thing about the notes made by the app maintainers. Not the whole AppDB.
Then it's just wasted effort. There is no benefit in turning the Notes/HOWTO system into a wiki.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:19:37 +1100 Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/8 IneedAname wineappdb@googlemail.com:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 00:10:59 +1100 Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com wrote:
A wiki is likely to be highly unsuccessful for AppDB when the focus is on test data.
I'm thing about the notes made by the app maintainers. Not the whole AppDB.
Then it's just wasted effort. There is no benefit in turning the Notes/HOWTO system into a wiki.
I can think of one possible benefit. There are a lot of apps without maintainers, and there might be users of those apps who would be willing take a few minutes to post bits of useful information in a wiki, but don't want the responsibility of being a maintainer. Sure, they could just post info in a comment, but user comments are buried at the bottom of the page and not in a useful order for finding information quickly. The same goes for comments in test reports--I've found information on needed tweaks buried several reports down from the most recent.
On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:36:11 +0100 Klaus Layer klaus.layer@gmx.de wrote:
Rozanne just deleted an entry which was maintained by me. According to the email I received, there were duplicated entries for the programm Mapsource. I regard deleting entries from Appdb without giving the maintainer a chance to backup what they maintained a *very* unfriendly act. I would have merged the two entries under one to save the valuable information users added to AppDB. Just deleting entries from AppDB, deletes information the wine community collected to support using wine. Users spent a lot of time and just deleting their work is *not* acceptable.
Can someone of the adminstrators of AppDB please make sure that Rozanne stops
This is why I want a wiki like change log for restoring stuff and checking the history.
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