WineHQ redesign - going live soon

[Jeremy Newman]

OK, I believe the site is ready to go live now. If you want any changes
this is your last change to get them in.

I need anyone who is available to go through the site and look for bad
links, bad grammar, and any HTML anomalies.

http://lostwages.winehq.org/

I plan to get the site live at 4pm CST today. In the meantime I'm going
to work on any requests.

[Sven Almgren]

I know you wannted sugestions but i just can't keep it.. NICE!!!!!!
there's just one thing that drives me crasy (a)
I'm using Mozilla so I don't know how it looks in IE or netscape.. but...
The About box is ONE small pixel higher then the "content" and.. it looks
like the webserver's drunk or something.. is there any way to fix that easy?
Otherwise I don't care..
Nice job! /Sven Almgren

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OK, I believe the site is ready to go live now. If you want any changes
this is your last change to get them in.

I need anyone who is available to go through the site and look for bad
links, bad grammar, and any HTML anomalies.

http://lostwages.winehq.org/

I plan to get the site live at 4pm CST today. In the meantime I'm going
to work on any requests.

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[Jeremy Newman]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 11:52, Sven Almgren wrote:
> I know you wannted sugestions but i just can't keep it.. NICE!!!!!!
> there's just one thing that drives me crasy (a)
> I'm using Mozilla so I don't know how it looks in IE or netscape.. but...
> The About box is ONE small pixel higher then the "content" and.. it looks
> like the webserver's drunk or something.. is there any way to fix that easy?
> Otherwise I don't care..
> Nice job! /Sven Almgren

Yes, I fixed it with a one pixel spacer. Not optimal, but when I have
more time, I'll look into a better fix.

[Dimitrie O. Paun]

On 25 Mar 2003, Jeremy Newman wrote:
> OK, I believe the site is ready to go live now. If you want any changes
> this is your last change to get them in.

Cool -- I am quite happy with the result, even if I still have some
small requests :) I do hope that we can do changes to it even after
it goes live, right?
> I plan to get the site live at 4pm CST today. In the meantime I'm going
> to work on any requests.

OK. What about:
  -- my Contributing changes I've email yesterday?
  -- I suggest we get rid of "How to Install Binary Packages" from
     Binary Downloads, and point people to the HowTo. There's more
     stuff to it, and that's the place to document it.
  -- similarly for "how to extract a file" from Source Download.
     It would be nice if we can add a table or something to it
     to make it a bit more consistent
  -- the biggest sore spot in the site is Bugzilla. The reason
     is that just browsing the menu the user expects a consistent
     behaviour (the box to the right to change), and we have that
     with one BIG exception: Bugzilla. And it's not a small
     exception: in a big flash, everything changes: page layout,
     headers, color scheme. Every time I click by mistake on it,
     I'm startled. Suggestion: create a front page that behaves
     uniformely with the rest of the site (like we did for
     Documentation). That will at least allow for a pleasant
     browsing experience.

[Jeremy Newman]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 12:45, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
> Cool -- I am quite happy with the result, even if I still have some
> small requests :) I do hope that we can do changes to it even after
> it goes live, right?

Sure, as is policy, I'll maintain the web site much the way Alexander
maintains the Wine tree. Check out the website from CVS using the
"lostwages" (I think I will keep it that name) module. Make your changes
to the local files, then do a "cvs diff > patch.diff", then email the
patch to: [e-mail], with a subject of PATCH.
> OK. What about:
>   -- my Contributing changes I've email yesterday?

I'm ignoring them. :-) Some of them I have implemented, others I am
keeping my way for now.
> -- I suggest we get rid of "How to Install Binary Packages" from
>      Binary Downloads, and point people to the HowTo. There's more
>      stuff to it, and that's the place to document it.

Sure. By the way, thanks goes to Frank's World for the how to. I still
think it needs more fleshing out. A patch is welcome for that page.
> -- similarly for "how to extract a file" from Source Download.
>      It would be nice if we can add a table or something to it
>      to make it a bit more consistent

Send patches.
> -- the biggest sore spot in the site is Bugzilla. The reason
>      is that just browsing the menu the user expects a consistent
>      behaviour (the box to the right to change), and we have that
>      with one BIG exception: Bugzilla. And it's not a small
>      exception: in a big flash, everything changes: page layout,
>      headers, color scheme. Every time I click by mistake on it,
>      I'm startled. Suggestion: create a front page that behaves
>      uniformely with the rest of the site (like we did for
>      Documentation). That will at least allow for a pleasant
>      browsing experience.

I agree here. Until I update bugzilla to the web site theme (E.T.A.
Never), a placeholder page will go in. I'll possibly copy some bug entry
help to that page as well.

[Dimitrie O. Paun]

On 25 Mar 2003, Jeremy Newman wrote:
> I'm ignoring them. :-) Some of them I have implemented, others I am
> keeping my way for now.

:) What 'your way' you got that file from me almost verbatim :)
I think we're talking about different things again. Here is
(part of) my message from yesterday:

There are a few things that I'd change, now that I look at it:
  o collapse C, D, and E into a "Others" or "Miscellaneous" section
  o get rid of the "Acknowledgements" section at the end,
    and the reference to it after the menu. We need a separate
    section for this, listing a lot more than just Corel.
    As it is, it's unfair, at the very least.
  o get rid of all those annoying "Back to top" links.
  o why does the "Our PayPal Account" appear below the PayPal
    icon, it makes the think thick and short, rather ugly.
  o the CSS is not right, we use black for section headers,
    this one uses red
  o way too many dividing lines

This is for the About/Contributing page.

[Rick Romero]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:44, Jeremy Newman wrote:
> OK, I believe the site is ready to go live now. If you want any changes
> this is your last change to get them in.
>
> I need anyone who is available to go through the site and look for bad
> links, bad grammar, and any HTML anomalies.
>
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/
>
> I plan to get the site live at 4pm CST today. In the meantime I'm going
> to work on any requests.

Pegasus Mail in the Silver Section says:

Pegasus Mail - This is the e-mail client of choice for many beginner and
advanced users.

VERSION 4.02 
Install: Yes 
Run: Yes? (the normal options works, but "how do i send/receive a email?
they have hidden the config account options???) 
Tucows top 100 ladder: 96

Was the 'Run' ever dealt with?  
How about a change to:
"Pegasus Mail requires either wsock32.dll to exist (touch) in the
fake_windows/windows/system directory, or it needs to be started with
'-z 128' parameter."

If you don't start Pegasus Mail with TCP/IP support in one way or
another, it's not very useful.  (Unless someone has Netware support
working well ;)

Rick

[Dimitrie O. Paun]

On March 25, 2003 03:21 pm, Rick Romero wrote:
> How about a change to:
> "Pegasus Mail requires either wsock32.dll to exist (touch) in the
> fake_windows/windows/system directory, or it needs to be started with
> '-z 128' parameter."

Noted, thanks!

[Mike Hearn]

This shot:

http://lostwages.winehq.org/images/shots/full/wine_12.png

demonstrates some visual corruption, notably in the scrollbars. Can't we
replace it with one that is visually perfect?

http://lostwages.winehq.org/images/shots/full/wine_16.png

I thought Access didn't work? Is it fair to mislead people in this way?

http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=download

It's called redhat 9 now :) There is no 8.1

The links off the documentation page are 404d, I assume that'll change
when it goes live?

http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=howto

First you must create a virtual ('fake') windows drive
        The following directories mut exist in your $HOME directory:

s/mut/must/

Also, shouldn't wineinstall do this for you? Is that necessary in the
HOWTO?

Shouldn't bug tracking be under the development section instead of
support? Perhaps not.

http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=forums

The irc channel is #winehq, not #wine

http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=status_dlls#Sound_Drivers

The extra details links don't seem to work?

Finally, is theming really necessary?

Great work Jeremy, it's looking really cool :)

[Vincent Béron]

Mike Hearn a écrit:
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=download
>
> It's called redhat 9 now :) There is no 8.1

Actually, a fully updated RedHat 8.0 will also use glibc 2.3.2 since a 
few days ago. I haven't had the time to check whether Wine works fine or 
not under it and the latest kernel update from RedHat.

Vincent

[Mike Hearn]

It doesn't, CodeWeavers have built an updated RPM for the old glibc that
doesn't break Wine.

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 20:40, Vincent Béron wrote:
> Mike Hearn a écrit:
> > http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=download
> >
> > It's called redhat 9 now :) There is no 8.1
>
> Actually, a fully updated RedHat 8.0 will also use glibc 2.3.2 since a 
> few days ago. I haven't had the time to check whether Wine works fine or 
> not under it and the latest kernel update from RedHat.
>
> Vincent

[Kevin DeKorte]

Wine does work on RedHat 8.0 with the new glibc. Although you need to start 
with a clean CVS tree or a clean src tree.

On Tuesday 25 March 2003 01:40 pm, Vincent Béron wrote:
> Mike Hearn a écrit:
> > http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=download
> >
> > It's called redhat 9 now :) There is no 8.1
>
> Actually, a fully updated RedHat 8.0 will also use glibc 2.3.2 since a
> few days ago. I haven't had the time to check whether Wine works fine or
> not under it and the latest kernel update from RedHat.
>
> Vincent

[Mike Hearn]

Bizarre. I wonder if both of us are right. I have a feeling there may be
a workaround sitting somewhere :)

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 21:50, Kevin DeKorte wrote:
> Wine does work on RedHat 8.0 with the new glibc. Although you need to start 
> with a clean CVS tree or a clean src tree.
>
> On Tuesday 25 March 2003 01:40 pm, Vincent Béron wrote:
> > Mike Hearn a écrit:
> > > http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=download
> > >
> > > It's called redhat 9 now :) There is no 8.1
> >
> > Actually, a fully updated RedHat 8.0 will also use glibc 2.3.2 since a
> > few days ago. I haven't had the time to check whether Wine works fine or
> > not under it and the latest kernel update from RedHat.
> >
> > Vincent

[Sylvain Petreolle]

--- Mike Hearn  a écrit : > This shot:
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/images/shots/full/wine_12.png
>
> demonstrates some visual corruption, notably in the scrollbars. Can't
> we
> replace it with one that is visually perfect?

contribute one :) no need to fake it ;)
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=download
>
> It's called redhat 9 now :) There is no 8.1

really ? there is already 8.1 beta available for download.
> The links off the documentation page are 404d, I assume that'll
> change
> when it goes live?
>
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=howto

it works for me now...
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=forums
> The irc channel is #winehq, not #wine

agreed.

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[Jeremy Newman]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 14:33, Mike Hearn wrote:
> This shot:
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/images/shots/full/wine_12.png
> demonstrates some visual corruption, notably in the scrollbars. Can't we
> replace it with one that is visually perfect?

No I don't know HTML. :-) Heh heh.
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/images/shots/full/wine_16.png
> I thought Access didn't work? Is it fair to mislead people in this way?

This screenshot is not faked, it does work, just with some issues. I can
replace this screeenshot if enough people complain. ;)
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=download 
> It's called redhat 9 now :) There is no 8.1

Agreed.
> The links off the documentation page are 404d, I assume that'll change
> when it goes live?

Yes.
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=howto
>     First you must create a virtual ('fake') windows drive
>     The following directories mut exist in your $HOME directory:
>
> s/mut/must/

Oops!
> Also, shouldn't wineinstall do this for you? Is that necessary in the
> HOWTO?

I don't know. This text was not written by me. If you want to submit a
better one, feel free.
> Shouldn't bug tracking be under the development section instead of
> support? Perhaps not.

Not.
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=forums 
> The irc channel is #winehq, not #wine

Fixed.
> http://lostwages.winehq.org/?page=status_dlls#Sound_Drivers 
> The extra details links don't seem to work?
> Finally, is theming really necessary?

No, not at all. Just something my code can do, why not use whats already
there. Why waste my rejected themes when I can simply put them up for
those that may like them.
> Great work Jeremy, it's looking really cool :)

Thanks. It is worth the effort.