Trying to install ChurchWindows, but it requires IE4?

[Dan Kegel]

My church is setting up a technology committee to decide
what to do in the face of recent (possibly virus-related)
problems they've been having.  Naturally, Linux and Wine come
to mind.  The one app they run that I know of no Linux equivalent
for is called ChurchWindows (from http://churchwindows.com, natch).
A freely downloadable demo is available at their web site.

Sadly, when I try to install it with 20030911, I get the error

"Certain Microsoft files can only be provided by installing
Internet Explorer version 4.01 Service Pack 2 or later.
It appears that your computer does not curently have this
version (or later) installed.  Please install a newer version
of Internet Explorer before running this install."

I then tried --debugmsg +reg to see what it was sensing, but
then the familiar old race condition reared its ugly head:
"Error Number: 0x80040706
Description: Object reference not set
Setup will now terminate"

Can someone with more Wine juju than me have a look at
http://209.190.80.19/trial/CW2003demo.exe
and see how far off Wine is from supporting it?

Thanks!
- Dan

[Shachar Shemesh]

Dan Kegel wrote:
> My church is setting up a technology committee to decide
> what to do in the face of recent (possibly virus-related)
> problems they've been having.  Naturally, Linux and Wine come
> to mind.  The one app they run that I know of no Linux equivalent
> for is called ChurchWindows (from http://churchwindows.com, natch).
> A freely downloadable demo is available at their web site.
>
> Sadly, when I try to install it with 20030911, I get the error
>
> "Certain Microsoft files can only be provided by installing
> Internet Explorer version 4.01 Service Pack 2 or later.
> It appears that your computer does not curently have this
> version (or later) installed.  Please install a newer version
> of Internet Explorer before running this install."
>
> I then tried --debugmsg +reg to see what it was sensing, but
> then the familiar old race condition reared its ugly head:
> "Error Number: 0x80040706
> Description: Object reference not set
> Setup will now terminate"
>
> Can someone with more Wine juju than me have a look at
> http://209.190.80.19/trial/CW2003demo.exe
> and see how far off Wine is from supporting it?
>
> Thanks!
> - Dan

Why not just install IE, then?

Shachar

[Mike Hearn]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:22, Dan Kegel wrote:
> I then tried --debugmsg +reg to see what it was sensing, but
> then the familiar old race condition reared its ugly head:
> "Error Number: 0x80040706
> Description: Object reference not set
> Setup will now terminate"

This is normally generated by InstallShield... why do you say it's a
race condition? I've been wanting to investigate that error for a while,
in fact I'm going to poke an installshield Marcus sent me this
afternoon.
> Can someone with more Wine juju than me have a look at
> http://209.190.80.19/trial/CW2003demo.exe
> and see how far off Wine is from supporting it?

Yikes! It's 20mb! That's going to take most of the day to download :(

[Dan Kegel]

Mike Hearn wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:22, Dan Kegel wrote:
> > I then tried --debugmsg +reg to see what it was sensing, but
> > then the familiar old race condition reared its ugly head:
> > "Error Number: 0x80040706
> > Description: Object reference not set
> > Setup will now terminate"
>
> This is normally generated by InstallShield... why do you say it's a
> race condition?

Because it comes and goes depending on how much --debugmsg logging
I select.  Could be some other kind of bug, too, I just jumped to
a conclusion.
> I've been wanting to investigate that error for a while,
> in fact I'm going to poke an installshield Marcus sent me this
> afternoon.

Thanks!  It has happened for most real things I've tried to install,
off and on, for the last year.
> > Can someone with more Wine juju than me have a look at
> > http://209.190.80.19/trial/CW2003demo.exe
> > and see how far off Wine is from supporting it?
>
> Yikes! It's 20mb! That's going to take most of the day to download :(

No rush!  The bug's been around for ages, it can wait a day to be fixed :-)
- Dan

[Rok Mandeljc]

> > > I then tried --debugmsg +reg to see what it was sensing, but
> > > then the familiar old race condition reared its ugly head:
> > > "Error Number: 0x80040706
> > > Description: Object reference not set
> > > Setup will now terminate"
> >
> > This is normally generated by InstallShield... why do you say it's a
> > race condition?
>
> Because it comes and goes depending on how much --debugmsg logging
> I select.  Could be some other kind of bug, too, I just jumped to
> a conclusion.

I had this problem with InstallShield, but it seems to work if you run
it with -dll ole32,oleaut32,rpcrt4=n

[Mike Hearn]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 19:21, Rok Mandeljc wrote:
> I had this problem with InstallShield, but it seems to work if you run
> it with -dll ole32,oleaut32,rpcrt4=n

Well yes, it's a bug in our OLE implementation. The question is, where?

BTW, are you registered on a keyserver anywhere? There's not much point
signing email if nobody knows where your key is. I'd recommend
search.keyserver.net, that's the one I used anyway...

thanks -mike

[Rok Mandeljc]

> BTW, are you registered on a keyserver anywhere? There's not much point
> signing email if nobody knows where your key is. I'd recommend
> search.keyserver.net, that's the one I used anyway...

it's on wwwkeys.pgp.net (i used evolution manual to set things up...)

[Mike Hearn]

Hi Dan,

I already have IE installed, so I didn't get the error you originally
did. I hacked window.c to default to managed mode to get around X
protocol errors, and that seemed to work OK, but unfortunately heap
arena corruption later in the install caused it to deadlock. So, I think
we're some way off supporting this installer.

I'm going put some hours into this heap problem, see if I can isolate
where it's being trashed. By the time it deadlocks the program *has*
copied, it's doing final setup (registering some stuff i think), so it
might run anyway.

For the IE issue your best bet is simply to install IE, or if you can't
get that to take, copy across and register the DLLs manually.

thanks -mike

[Dan Kegel]

Mike Hearn wrote:
> I already have IE installed, so I didn't get the error you originally
> did. I hacked window.c to default to managed mode to get around X
> protocol errors, and that seemed to work OK, but unfortunately heap
> arena corruption later in the install caused it to deadlock. So, I think
> we're some way off supporting this installer.
>
> I'm going put some hours into this heap problem, see if I can isolate
> where it's being trashed. By the time it deadlocks the program *has*
> copied, it's doing final setup (registering some stuff i think), so it
> might run anyway.

Thanks for looking into it.  This sounds like a job for valgrind;
have you tried running wine under valgrind 1.9.6-wine before?
> For the IE issue your best bet is simply to install IE, or if you can't
> get that to take, copy across and register the DLLs manually.

OK, I'll try installing IE.  (Dumb question: what's the best
way to find a copy of IE 4.0.1 sp2 or later to install?)
- Dan

[Mike Hearn]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 22:45, Dan Kegel wrote:
> Thanks for looking into it.  This sounds like a job for valgrind;
> have you tried running wine under valgrind 1.9.6-wine before?

No. I've used valgrind before, but not the wine version.
> OK, I'll try installing IE.  (Dumb question: what's the best
> way to find a copy of IE 4.0.1 sp2 or later to install?)

microsoft.com/ie :)