FPS tool for wine

The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of gaming on
Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS tool exists for
Wine". Surely this can't be true?

[EA Durbin]

does fraps not work in wine?
> From: [e-mail]
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> Subject: FPS tool for wine
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:13:22 +0200
>
> The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of 
> gaming on
> Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS tool exists 
> for
> Wine". Surely this can't be true?

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[Jan Zerebecki]

On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 06:13:25PM -0500, EA Durbin wrote:
> does fraps not work in wine?

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5065

Last I tested it crashed on startup:
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5601 .

Jan

[Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes]

Tirsdag 22 mai 2007 00:13, skrev [e-mail]:
> The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of
> gaming on Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS
> tool exists for Wine". Surely this can't be true?

Isn't the point rather to test how actual games run in Wine?  Then you can use 
a game or a benchmarking tool like 3DMark.

Regards,

Alexander N. Sørnes

[Lei Zhang]

Right, for instance Tom Wickline ran 3dmark2000 and posted the results here:

http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.33

On 5/21/07, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes  wrote:
> Tirsdag 22 mai 2007 00:13, skrev [e-mail]:
> > The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of
> > gaming on Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS
> > tool exists for Wine". Surely this can't be true?
>
> Isn't the point rather to test how actual games run in Wine?  Then you can use
> a game or a benchmarking tool like 3DMark.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alexander N. Sørnes

[Tomas Zijdemans]

I've informed them about this. Let's hope they consider it!

Lei Zhang wrote:
> Right, for instance Tom Wickline ran 3dmark2000 and posted the results 
> here:
>
> http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.33
>
> On 5/21/07, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes  wrote:
> > Tirsdag 22 mai 2007 00:13, skrev [e-mail]:
> > > The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of
> > > gaming on Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS
> > > tool exists for Wine". Surely this can't be true?
> >
> > Isn't the point rather to test how actual games run in Wine?  Then you 
> > can use
> > a game or a benchmarking tool like 3DMark.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alexander N. Sørnes

[Tom Wickline]

On 5/21/07, Lei Zhang  wrote:
> Right, for instance Tom Wickline ran 3dmark2000 and posted the results here:
>
> http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.33

There is also some scores here.

http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.6
http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.35

My laptop has went down once more, it has always ran hot... extremely hot!
and I think I kinda over done it once more. So the current plan is to
RMA it again and then remove Linux and FreeBSD from it. then grow the
Windows partition back to its original size and then put Windows back
to day one and then Ebay it.

Then build a current system, something like.....

Intel quad core processor --- dual quad core?
8GB of memory
Geforece 8800 Ultra --- SLI?
1TB storage
Gigabit network, etc.

Then do some real benchmarking ;)

Tom

[Stefan Dösinger]

Hi,
> Intel quad core processor --- dual quad core?
> 8GB of memory
> Geforece 8800 Ultra --- SLI?
> 1TB storage
> Gigabit network, etc.

IMHO, while benchmarking on strong systems gives interesting results too , we 
should stick to average systems. But for that purpose I now have a new 
laptop(intel core 2 duo, gf 7400) with a vista installation, so if I can get 
the apps going on vista I can compare them to wine. Although my laptop is 
rather expensive too, so not an average device, but its expensive because its 
a mobile device and not a desktop replacement laptop.

[Stefan Dösinger]

Am Dienstag 22 Mai 2007 00:13 schrieb [e-mail]:
> The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of
> gaming on Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS
> tool exists for Wine". Surely this can't be true?

What exactly do they mean with FPS tools? After working with all this 3D 
business since almost 2 years I do not know what this term would precicely 
mean :-o If they mean built-in benchmark tools, then we have something like 
that, the fps debug channel which shows the ddraw / d3d / opengl buffer flips 
per secound. But why would they prefer external stuff over the games' 
built-in benchmark features?

[Tomas Zijdemans]

Good point. What they probably want, is an external tool (like fraps) 
that gives them some nice numbers. I have informed them of your 
comments, and hope they consider it. This is the largest 
computer-related site in Norway, so I hope Wine can get some good PR here..

Stefan Dösinger wrote:
> Am Dienstag 22 Mai 2007 00:13 schrieb [e-mail]:
> > The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of
> > gaming on Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS
> > tool exists for Wine". Surely this can't be true?
>
> What exactly do they mean with FPS tools? After working with all this 3D 
> business since almost 2 years I do not know what this term would precicely 
> mean :-o If they mean built-in benchmark tools, then we have something like 
> that, the fps debug channel which shows the ddraw / d3d / opengl buffer flips 
> per secound. But why would they prefer external stuff over the games' 
> built-in benchmark features?

[Francois Gouget]

On Tue, 22 May 2007, Stefan Dösinger wrote:
[...]
> But why would they prefer external stuff over the games' built-in 
> benchmark features?

I believe some test sites like to build graphs of framerate over time. 
This lets them extract not only the average framerate, but also the 
minimum and maximum framerate, compare the graphs of different graphics 
cards / machines, etc. I assume that games don't always provide enough 
data which is why they'd use third party tools.

[Tomas Carnecky]

[e-mail] wrote:
> The largest gaming site in Norway recently did an extensive review of gaming on
> Linux, but Wine was left out of the benchmark because "no FPS tool exists for
> Wine". Surely this can't be true?

I guess I could modify yukon [1] to not capture the actual frames but
only save info about swapuffer timings. Would you be interested in that?

tom

[1] http://www.neopsis.com/projects/yukon