Re: [lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Detlef Riekenberg]

On Di, 2007-01-30 at 01:09 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> -
>
> +<p>While there is currently no Wine package explicitly designed for
> the 64-bit version 
> +of Ubuntu, there are several hacks that can be used to install the
> 32-bit package
> +into the 64-bit distribution and have it function normally.  See 
> +<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64">this page on the
> Ubuntu wiki</a> 
> +for more details.</p>

IMHO, a link to our own Wiki should be placed on the download-deb page

http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-56206e8bc74083807ffe06ccb471d3f964cb...

And as a Note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64 and
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64

The provided automatic installation script includes the sidenet-script.
Please include a BIG WARNING, that this is never supported by winehq
and the users need a clean wine, before they ask for help on #winehq
or [e-mail]

You mention sidenet on that page:
"If you followed the manual instructions you need to install the Sidenet
script"
This is wrong. Please remove that line!

Even, when the sidenet-script might help some users to run an app,
"you need to install the Sidenet script" is wrong!

[lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Vitaliy Margolen]

Detlef Riekenberg wrote:
> On Di, 2007-01-30 at 01:09 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> > -
> >
> > +<p>While there is currently no Wine package explicitly designed for
> > the 64-bit version 
> > +of Ubuntu, there are several hacks that can be used to install the
> > 32-bit package
> > +into the 64-bit distribution and have it function normally.  See 
> > +<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64">this page on the
> > Ubuntu wiki</a> 
> > +for more details.</p>
>
> IMHO, a link to our own Wiki should be placed on the download-deb page
>
> http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-56206e8bc74083807ffe06ccb471d3f964cb...
>
> And as a Note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64 and
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
>
> The provided automatic installation script includes the sidenet-script.
> Please include a BIG WARNING, that this is never supported by winehq
> and the users need a clean wine, before they ask for help on #winehq
> or [e-mail]
>
> You mention sidenet on that page:
> "If you followed the manual instructions you need to install the Sidenet
> script"
> This is wrong. Please remove that line!
>
> Even, when the sidenet-script might help some users to run an app,
> "you need to install the Sidenet script" is wrong!

I still see that information listed on the mentioned page. I was hopping
we could get some useful information for Ubuntu-64 users.
I guess not. I will discourage anyone from referring to the above
mentioned page because it has sedenet script as a "requirement". It's
the same stuff as winetools and _brakes_ default Wine configuration.

Vitaliy

[lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Scott Ritchie]

On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 00:06 -0700, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
> Detlef Riekenberg wrote:
> > On Di, 2007-01-30 at 01:09 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> > > -
> > >
> > > +<p>While there is currently no Wine package explicitly designed for
> > > the 64-bit version 
> > > +of Ubuntu, there are several hacks that can be used to install the
> > > 32-bit package
> > > +into the 64-bit distribution and have it function normally.  See 
> > > +<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64">this page on the
> > > Ubuntu wiki</a> 
> > > +for more details.</p>
> >
> > IMHO, a link to our own Wiki should be placed on the download-deb page
> >
> > http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-56206e8bc74083807ffe06ccb471d3f964cb...
> >
> > And as a Note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64 and
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
> >
> > The provided automatic installation script includes the sidenet-script.
> > Please include a BIG WARNING, that this is never supported by winehq
> > and the users need a clean wine, before they ask for help on #winehq
> > or [e-mail]
> >
> > You mention sidenet on that page:
> > "If you followed the manual instructions you need to install the Sidenet
> > script"
> > This is wrong. Please remove that line!
> >
> > Even, when the sidenet-script might help some users to run an app,
> > "you need to install the Sidenet script" is wrong!
>
> I still see that information listed on the mentioned page. I was hopping
> we could get some useful information for Ubuntu-64 users.
> I guess not. I will discourage anyone from referring to the above
> mentioned page because it has sedenet script as a "requirement". It's
> the same stuff as winetools and _brakes_ default Wine configuration.
>
> Vitaliy

I just fixed it to make it better.  I have half a mind to delete all
mention of sidenet from the page entirely.

I'll change the link to a page on our wiki with the same info and
resend.

Thanks,
Scott Ritchie

[lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Vitaliy Margolen]

Scott Ritchie wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 00:06 -0700, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
> > Detlef Riekenberg wrote:
> > > On Di, 2007-01-30 at 01:09 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> > > > -
> > > >
> > > > +<p>While there is currently no Wine package explicitly designed for
> > > > the 64-bit version 
> > > > +of Ubuntu, there are several hacks that can be used to install the
> > > > 32-bit package
> > > > +into the 64-bit distribution and have it function normally.  See 
> > > > +<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64">this page on the
> > > > Ubuntu wiki</a> 
> > > > +for more details.</p>
> > >
> > > IMHO, a link to our own Wiki should be placed on the download-deb page
> > >
> > > http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-56206e8bc74083807ffe06ccb471d3f964cb...
> > >
> > > And as a Note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64 and
> > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
> > >
> > > The provided automatic installation script includes the sidenet-script.
> > > Please include a BIG WARNING, that this is never supported by winehq
> > > and the users need a clean wine, before they ask for help on #winehq
> > > or [e-mail]
> > >
> > > You mention sidenet on that page:
> > > "If you followed the manual instructions you need to install the Sidenet
> > > script"
> > > This is wrong. Please remove that line!
> > >
> > > Even, when the sidenet-script might help some users to run an app,
> > > "you need to install the Sidenet script" is wrong!
> >
> > I still see that information listed on the mentioned page. I was hopping
> > we could get some useful information for Ubuntu-64 users.
> > I guess not. I will discourage anyone from referring to the above
> > mentioned page because it has sedenet script as a "requirement". It's
> > the same stuff as winetools and _brakes_ default Wine configuration.
> >
> > Vitaliy
>
> I just fixed it to make it better.  I have half a mind to delete all
> mention of sidenet from the page entirely.

Can you explain why is it needed? This is the same _exact_ stuff as
winetools! I failed to find a single piece of it that is useful for
every day user. However almost every single thing it does, will
compromise Wine's integrity.

Vitaliy.

[lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Detlef Riekenberg]

On Sa, 2007-02-03 at 01:33 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> > > And as a Note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64 and
> > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
> > >
> > > The provided automatic installation script includes the sidenet-script.
> > > Please include a BIG WARNING, that this is never supported by winehq
> > > and the users need a clean wine, before they ask for help on #winehq
> > > or [e-mail]
> I just fixed it to make it better.  I have half a mind to delete all
> mention of sidenet from the page entirely.

The Sidenet - Script is still there.

Another Tip:
"Next get the libxxf86dga1 package"

Why that? 
DGA was dropped in July 2006:
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=98179f06565b7f681d3cdd...

IMHO, the only useful things, a wine download script can do is:

- download and install wine

- optional download and install the gecko-engine
  - add the "IE 6.0"-Version to the Registry

- optional download and install mono
  - add the ".Net"-Version to the Registry
    (The above mono provides ".Net 1.1")

- optional download and install the corefonts
  suggest a BUG-Report, when the buildin Fonts are not correct

Enable download and installation for native DCOM /
native MSI only as a test, when the buildin versions
do not work and an active wine BUG-ID is provided.

Thanks

[lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Scott Ritchie]

On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 21:52 +0100, Detlef Riekenberg wrote:
> On Sa, 2007-02-03 at 01:33 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> > > > And as a Note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/I386WineInAmd64 and
> > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
> > > >
> > > > The provided automatic installation script includes the sidenet-script.
> > > > Please include a BIG WARNING, that this is never supported by winehq
> > > > and the users need a clean wine, before they ask for help on #winehq
> > > > or [e-mail]
> > I just fixed it to make it better.  I have half a mind to delete all
> > mention of sidenet from the page entirely.
>
> The Sidenet - Script is still there.

I removed all traces of it from the wine wiki page I set up here, which
the download-deb page should link to now:
http://wiki.winehq.org/UbuntuAMD64

I agree with you and Vitaly about this, by the way.
> Another Tip:
> "Next get the libxxf86dga1 package"
>
> Why that? 
> DGA was dropped in July 2006:
> http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=98179f06565b7f681d3cdd...

The main problem is that I don't have a 64-bit machine and haven't
tested the instructions myself, but as I understand it if Wine was
compiled with DGA support (as the 32 bit package was) then it would go
nuts if it expected to find the lib and didn't, which the DGA hack was a
workaround for.

But if it can be eliminated entirely that's really good news.

Thanks,
Scott Ritchie

[lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Detlef Riekenberg]

On Sa, 2007-02-03 at 13:00 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> > The Sidenet - Script is still there.
>
> I removed all traces of it from the wine wiki page I set up here, which
> the download-deb page should link to now:
> http://wiki.winehq.org/UbuntuAMD64
> I agree with you and Vitaly about this, by the way.

Great.
It's still there, but it's intresting, how fast it went away:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
> > Another Tip:
> > "Next get the libxxf86dga1 package"
> >
> > Why that? 
> > DGA was dropped in July 2006:
>
> The main problem is that I don't have a 64-bit machine and haven't
> tested the instructions myself,

I have also no 64-Bit machine here.
> if Wine was compiled with DGA support (as the 32 bit package was)

That is not possible since Aug. 2006.

The Part of the Patch "Kill DGA support", that removed "-lXxf86dga":
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=98179f06565b7f681d3cdd...
> But if it can be eliminated entirely that's really good news.

You can remove the libXxf86dga-dev package and build wine again:
The same "winex11.dev.so" is build.

[lostwages] Update download-deb page with better information, error fixes

[Detlef Riekenberg]

On Sa, 2007-02-03 at 01:33 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> I'll change the link to a page on our wiki with the same info and
> resend.

Please remove the tips for libxxf86dga from
http://wiki.winehq.org/UbuntuAMD64

winex11.drv dropped DGA Support at the end of July 2006

Thanks