Linking to a Mac OS X build of Wine from winehq.org/download ?

[Dan Kegel]

Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
from http://winehq.org/download/ ?

Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
the appdb from his page?

[Roderick Colenbrander]

> Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
> of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
> from http://winehq.org/download/ ?
>
> Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
> If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
> the appdb from his page?

Most importantly we need to get rid of the Darwine name. It causes a lot of unneeded confusion.

Roderick

[Dan Kegel]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roderick Colenbrander
 wrote:
> > Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
> > of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
> > from http://winehq.org/download/ ?
> >
> > Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
> > If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
> > the appdb from his page?
>
> Most importantly we need to get rid of the Darwine name. It causes a lot of unneeded confusion.

Yes, I would like to keep Darwine as the name of the old powerpc project
that combined an x86 emulator and wine.

Can we convince Mike and Zach to switch names to just plain Wine?
- Dan

[Nathaniel Gray]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Dan Kegel  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roderick Colenbrander
>  wrote:
> > > Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
> > > of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
> > > from http://winehq.org/download/ ?
> > >
> > > Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
> > > If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
> > > the appdb from his page?
> >
> > Most importantly we need to get rid of the Darwine name. It causes a lot of unneeded confusion.
>
> Yes, I would like to keep Darwine as the name of the old powerpc project
> that combined an x86 emulator and wine.
>
> Can we convince Mike and Zach to switch names to just plain Wine?

As one who just spent several days trying to figure this stuff out and
still isn't quite sure he got it right, I'd like to add "pretty
please?"

Cheers,
-n8

[James McKenzie]

Nathaniel Gray wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Dan Kegel  wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roderick Colenbrander
> >  wrote:
> > > > Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
> > > > of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
> > > > from http://winehq.org/download/ ?
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
> > > > If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
> > > > the appdb from his page?
> > >
> > > Most importantly we need to get rid of the Darwine name. It causes a lot of unneeded confusion.
> >
> > Yes, I would like to keep Darwine as the name of the old powerpc project
> > that combined an x86 emulator and wine.
> >
> > Can we convince Mike and Zach to switch names to just plain Wine?
>
> As one who just spent several days trying to figure this stuff out and
> still isn't quite sure he got it right, I'd like to add "pretty
> please?"

I would like to see something like the following (and it follows the 
OpenOffice.org strategy for releases):

Wine-<version>-<platform>-<CPU>-<installer>.<compression-type>

So Wine for the Mac Intel would appear like this:

Wine-1.1.9-MacOSX-Intel-DragnDrop.dmg

Where Wine for a X86 for Ubuntu 8.1 would appear like this for an x86:

Wine-1.1.9-Ubuntu8.10-x86-apt.tar.gz (assuming that the release was in 
tar.gz.)

What do the rest of you think?

James McKenzie

[Dan Kegel]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:21 PM, James McKenzie
 wrote:
> I would like to see something like the following (and it follows the
> OpenOffice.org strategy for releases):
>
> Wine-<version>-<platform>-<CPU>-<installer>.<compression-type>
>
> So Wine for the Mac Intel would appear like this:
>
> Wine-1.1.9-MacOSX-Intel-DragnDrop.dmg
>
> Where Wine for a X86 for Ubuntu 8.1 would appear like this for an x86:
>
> Wine-1.1.9-Ubuntu8.10-x86-apt.tar.gz (assuming that the release was in
> tar.gz.)

It might make sense for .tar.gz files, but it doesn't make too much
sense for .deb and .rpm files, which already have names which are
dictated to some extent by the repository they're in.

Also, ideally, I'd rather see somewhat less distro-specific builds
of Wine anyway.   Not sure how practical that is, though,
until we can build against LSB.

[Zach Drayer]

> > > Yes, I would like to keep Darwine as the name of the old powerpc  
> > > project
> > > that combined an x86 emulator and wine.
> > >
> > > Can we convince Mike and Zach to switch names to just plain Wine?

I'd have no problems switching over to just using Wine instead of  
Darwine. Also, maybe Jim White or someone else that actually developed  
Darwine could comment? All I do is package it.. and even the, I  
haven't really had time to do so recently. FWIW, I'm building 1.1.11  
right now though.

-Zach

[Dan Kegel]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Zach Drayer  wrote:
> > > > Can we convince Mike and Zach to switch names to just plain Wine?
>
> I'd have no problems switching over to just using Wine instead of Darwine.
> Also, maybe Jim White or someone else that actually developed Darwine could
> comment? All I do is package it.. and even the, I haven't really had time to
> do so recently. FWIW, I'm building 1.1.11 right now though.

I asked Jim White (who's an old friend of mine from early LAJUG days)
whether I was right to assume that Darwine referred to the
original powerpc project with an x86 emulator hooked up to it,
and whether Wine for Mac OS X x86 should just be called Wine,
and he said:
> Yes, of course.  Darwine is quite quiescent, but I think it did
> some real good in getting the Wine port to Mac started...

BTW, Zach, do you apply any patches as you package it?
- Dan

[Dmitry Timoshkov]

"Dan Kegel"  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roderick Colenbrander
>  wrote:
> > > Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
> > > of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
> > > from http://winehq.org/download/ ?
> > >
> > > Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
> > > If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
> > > the appdb from his page?
> >
> > Most importantly we need to get rid of the Darwine name. It causes a lot of unneeded confusion.
>
> Yes, I would like to keep Darwine as the name of the old powerpc project
> that combined an x86 emulator and wine.
>
> Can we convince Mike and Zach to switch names to just plain Wine?

And change the licencing conditions to LGPL, currently that page states
"Darwine and wine are released under the gpl". They also have to remove
any differences between WineHQ sources and their ones, otherwise it can't
be supported via WineHQ.

[Dan Kegel]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Dmitry Timoshkov
 wrote:
> > > > http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/
> >
> > Can we convince Mike and Zach to switch names to just plain Wine?
>
> And change the licencing conditions to LGPL, currently that page states
> "Darwine and wine are released under the gpl".

Mike, that's just a typo, I think.  Can you add the missing L?
> They also have to remove
> any differences between WineHQ sources and their ones, otherwise it can't
> be supported via WineHQ.

Mike, how many patches are left?
- Dan

[Maik Schulz]

On 21 Dec 2008, at 16:50, Dan Kegel wrote:
> Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
> of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
> from http://winehq.org/download/ ?
>
> Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
> If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
> the appdb from his page?

There is another source of OS X Wine builds at http://thisismyinter.net/Files/Darwine/Leopard/Installers/ 
. This is where I got my installers in the past, the owner is  
rebuilding the site at the moment though. My feeling was that they  
worked better but I don't have any hard evidence to support this.

Cheers,
-Maik

[Austin English]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Dan Kegel  wrote:
> Say, http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/ seems to be a popular source
> of nearly up to date wine builds for the mac.  How about we link to it
> from http://winehq.org/download/ ?
>
> Furthermore, are his packages good enough to support?
> If so, how 'bout we ask him to add links to bugzilla  and
> the appdb from his page?

It currently has a few 'OS X-isms'. The patch that causes 100% cpu
usage on SSL sites in IE6 is reverted, as well as a few x11 hacks. The
other main problem is fonts.

I think we need to fix the X11 hacks needed before doing considering
it 'official' wine. We don't want a flood of bug reports for that
problem.