FAQ translation possible?

[Frédéric Delanoy]

Hi,

I'm currently revising/translating WineHQ's website French translation.
Translating the help, I remarked the FAQ is maintained in the wiki section.

Wouldn't it make sense to move the FAQ to the wine website repository
so as to ease translation? FAQ is probably one of the most important
things to translate IMO.

Is the wiki page somehow translatable (preferably using WineHQ's
language cookie setting)?
Or is it more important to remain it to the wiki for quick update/review?

Frédéric Delanoy

[Juan Lang]

> Wouldn't it make sense to move the FAQ to the wine website repository
> so as to ease translation? FAQ is probably one of the most important
> things to translate IMO.

We've recently moved it the other way.
> Or is it more important to remain it to the wiki for quick update/review?

Yes, that's why it's in the wiki.

Thanks,
--Juan

[Frédéric Delanoy]

2011/5/3 Juan Lang :
> > Wouldn't it make sense to move the FAQ to the wine website repository
> > so as to ease translation? FAQ is probably one of the most important
> > things to translate IMO.
>
> We've recently moved it the other way.
> > Or is it more important to remain it to the wiki for quick update/review?
>
> Yes, that's why it's in the wiki.
> --Juan

Hmm... makes sense but this makes translation nigh impossible.
I could certainly create a custom Fr FAQ but it's more like an ugly
hack (and translation updates could prove difficult than they should
be... or maybe with on-change email notification?).
> From a quick review of moinmoin features

(http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinFeatures), it seems i18n is possible but I'm
far from an expert in it, although it appears it's possible only for
the wiki interface, and not for the wiki's actual contents.
But in any case, the language to use should preferably be autoselected
from WineHQ's lang cookie IMHO.

Maybe someone with moinmoin experience could provide some insight
(specifying in language in a page seems possible according to
http://moinmo.in/HelpOnLanguages)?

Frédéric

[Ove Kåven]

Den 04. mai 2011 00:49, skrev Frédéric Delanoy:
> But in any case, the language to use should preferably be autoselected
> from WineHQ's lang cookie IMHO.

The way I understand moinmoin, you need to create a new wiki page with
the translated content. This is typically done by also translating the
page name itself, i.e. if you have an English "MyProject", then you have
a "MeinProjekt" page in German.

Once the translation exist, you can update moinmoin's dictionary page
(the GermanDict page in this case), so that it knows that MeinProjekt is
a German translation of MyProject. With that done, if a German user
accesses MyProject, there will be a toolbar entry to take them to the
German version.

MoinMoin can do even better for the front page, because if the user
accesses the wiki without requesting a specific page, then moinmoin can
itself choose which front page to return. It's chosen based on the
preferred language of the user's browser, and it will search its
dictionary to find what the name of that language's front page is. So
German people would automatically get StartSeite instead of FrontPage.

Then, of course, that front page would contain links to the pages of the
language it is written in. So German users would automatically be served
the German frontpage, and all German pages (like StartSeite) would link
to MeinProjekt where the English pages (like FrontPage) would link to
MyProject.

This scheme, of course, works best if the people putting content into
the wiki are careful not to use acronyms like FAQ as page names.

[Frédéric Delanoy]

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 07:24, Ove Kåven  wrote:
> Den 04. mai 2011 00:49, skrev Frédéric Delanoy:
> > But in any case, the language to use should preferably be autoselected
> > from WineHQ's lang cookie IMHO.
>
> The way I understand moinmoin, you need to create a new wiki page with
> the translated content. This is typically done by also translating the
> page name itself, i.e. if you have an English "MyProject", then you have
> a "MeinProjekt" page in German.

Anyway, the version of moinmoin used here is dated and doesn't support
on-page-change notification, which makes translation (but especially
further maintainance) tricky.

I tried to find the wiki/web server responsible, but without success.
Who's responsible for the server? J. Newman?
> Once the translation exist, you can update moinmoin's dictionary page
> (the GermanDict page in this case), so that it knows that MeinProjekt is
> a German translation of MyProject. With that done, if a German user
> accesses MyProject, there will be a toolbar entry to take them to the
> German version.
>
> MoinMoin can do even better for the front page, because if the user
> accesses the wiki without requesting a specific page, then moinmoin can
> itself choose which front page to return. It's chosen based on the
> preferred language of the user's browser, and it will search its
> dictionary to find what the name of that language's front page is. So
> German people would automatically get StartSeite instead of FrontPage.
>
> Then, of course, that front page would contain links to the pages of the
> language it is written in. So German users would automatically be served
> the German frontpage, and all German pages (like StartSeite) would link
> to MeinProjekt where the English pages (like FrontPage) would link to
> MyProject.
>
> This scheme, of course, works best if the people putting content into
> the wiki are careful not to use acronyms like FAQ as page names.

Thanks for the info.

Frédéric

[Juan Lang]

> I tried to find the wiki/web server responsible, but without success.
> Who's responsible for the server? J. Newman?

In this case, it's Dimi O'Paun.
--Juan