Hello :)
I have taken the 20 first entries of the top 100 tucows list, except that some entries has been removed, mainly antivirus and programs what need other different program to work. (URL: http://tucows.uam.es/toppicks.html)
Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :))
Regards, Carlos.
On November 2, 2002 10:53 am, Carlos Lozano wrote:
Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :))
This is very, very cool! I would suggest we keep track of the tucows's Top number, so we can say: We run #1, 5, 10, 11, 12 from Tucows Top Picks, as of Nov 1, 2002. or whatever date you took the snapshot on.
From this list, we'll need to create a short list of apps
on which we concentrate on working out the bugs.
A big problem is the riched20.dll. We're not gonna have a replacement for it soon, so I think we need to acknowledge that, and accept apps that are not perfect because of it, but are still usable.
Hello,
A big problem is the riched20.dll. We're not gonna have a replacement for it soon, so I think we need to acknowledge that, and accept apps that are not perfect because of it, but are still usable.
It is a serious problem, because without riched20 winzip simply doesn't work, it stops when you doubleclick about a zipped file. Other applicaciones like xnews/icq has the same problem with riched32, without it, the problem is no usable, because, who wants a news/chat program what you can't read the text? ;)
Regards, Carlos.
On November 2, 2002 11:29 am, Carlos Lozano wrote:
It is a serious problem, because without riched20 winzip simply doesn't work, it stops when you doubleclick about a zipped file. Other applicaciones like xnews/icq has the same problem with riched32, without it, the problem is no usable, because, who wants a news/chat program what you can't read the text? ;)
That's true. However, I was referring to programs that use the rich edit in non-essential places (like the ControlSpy).
I don't know what we currently do for rich edit, but what about just dropping all formatting information, and so we display just plain text? This would at least get us to a pseudo-usable state with apps like XNews, and what have you.
El sáb, 02 de nov de 2002, a las 11:41, Dimitrie O. Paun escribio:
On November 2, 2002 11:29 am, Carlos Lozano wrote:
It is a serious problem, because without riched20 winzip simply doesn't work, it stops when you doubleclick about a zipped file. Other applicaciones like xnews/icq has the same problem with riched32, without it, the problem is no usable, because, who wants a news/chat program what you can't read the text? ;)
That's true. However, I was referring to programs that use the rich edit in non-essential places (like the ControlSpy).
I don't know what we currently do for rich edit, but what about just dropping all formatting information, and so we display just plain text? This would at least get us to a pseudo-usable state with apps like XNews, and what have you.
Yes, it should be enuff to change the compatibility status of this applications :)
Regards, Carlos.
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:53:03PM +0100, Carlos Lozano wrote:
Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :))
Great idea! I think you should differentiate the "Run:" line though into builtin/pure and natvie/tainted:
WinZip - The most popular compression utility for Windows just got better.
VERSION 8.1.
- Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none)
- Run: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine.
* Run builtin: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine. * Run native: [riched20.dll] Yes (just guessing)
Ciao Jörg
-- Joerg Mayer jmayer@loplof.de I found out that "pro" means "instead of" (as in proconsul). Now I know what proactive means.
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:53:03PM +0100, Carlos Lozano wrote:
Hello :)
I have taken the 20 first entries of the top 100 tucows list, except that some entries has been removed, mainly antivirus and programs what need other different program to work. (URL: http://tucows.uam.es/toppicks.html)
Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :))
Cool stuff !
WinZip - The most popular compression utility for Windows just got better.
VERSION 8.1.
- Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none)
- Run: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine.
Hmm, why No here ? AFAIR WinZip works pretty well.
Winamp - This program has so many possibilities and offers such a wide range of interfaces, you'll need no other player.
VERSION 3.0:
- Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none)
- Run: No. (Need native msvcrt.dll then works)
This should definitely be looked into (might be easy, too). We really should be able to run Winamp out of the box.
Fruityloops - Make your own MIDIs, WAVs and MP3s in minutes.
VERSION 3.56:
- Install: Yes. (It will install fruitloops in the directory what you are when run the installer, it is a buggy because you must stop the instalation with ctrl+c when it will ask by "overwrite files", but it works).
- Run: No. (Need hhctrl.ocx native, with it the program runs, but i haven't used it before :/)
"Windows syndrome" - you'd have needed hhctrl.ocx on Windows, too, no !?!? Hmm, or is hhctrl.ocx a standard Windows component ?
Easy CD-DA Extractor - This program rips CDs, converts audio files between different formats, and creates audio CDs from WAV and MP3 files.
VERSION 5.0.
- Install: Yes. (Dlls installed advpack.dll, drmv2clt.dll,msdmo.dll, w95inf16.dll,wmnetmgr.dll,asfsipc.dll,l3codeca.acm,msnetobj.dll, w95inf32.dll,wmstream.dll,blackbox.dll,laprxy.dll,msvcrt.dll,wmadmoe.dll, wmvcore.dll,drmclien.dll,npwmsdrm.dll,WMASF.dll, drmstor.dll,msaud32.acm, sl_anet.acm,wmidx.ocx)
- Run: No, crashes. (sysparams.c:1646 - user.dll.so)
Err... this is the same crash as with...
CD Mate - This is a powerful CD backup utility.
VERSION 2.2.8.1.
- Install: Yes. (License and more info is not visible - riched32) (Dlls installed none)
- Run: No, crashes. (sysparams.c:1646 - user.dll.so) (the audioplayer included with the program works)
...this one ?
Putty - This simple Telnet application could hang with the big boys.
VERSION 0.52.
- Install: No needed install.
- Run: No. (it doesn't show the right part of the window, regression????)
Very strange. PuTTY used to work. And please don't name it "Telnet application". Telnet is a small part of it that should be neglected as much as possible. But AFAIR I recently had problems getting it to run, too.
Andreas Mohr
El sáb, 02 de nov de 2002, a las 17:33, Andreas Mohr escribio:
WinZip - The most popular compression utility for Windows just got better.
VERSION 8.1.
- Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none)
- Run: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine.
Hmm, why No here ? AFAIR WinZip works pretty well.
WinZip includes its own zipped example (test case? hehe :), and without riched20 it will not work :(.
Fruityloops - Make your own MIDIs, WAVs and MP3s in minutes.
VERSION 3.56:
- Install: Yes. (It will install fruitloops in the directory what you are when run the installer, it is a buggy because you must stop the instalation with ctrl+c when it will ask by "overwrite files", but it works).
- Run: No. (Need hhctrl.ocx native, with it the program runs, but i haven't used it before :/)
"Windows syndrome" - you'd have needed hhctrl.ocx on Windows, too, no !?!? Hmm, or is hhctrl.ocx a standard Windows component ?
Hmm, i don't know if it is a standard from windows, but it wasn't installed by the program. Anyway it is a very complex application and i don't know anything about music, i am a bad tester for it ;)
[..]
Err... this is the same crash as with...
[..]
* Run: No, crashes. (sysparams.c:1646 - user.dll.so) (the audioplayer included with the program works)...this one ?
Yes, does anyone want kill two birds with only one fight? hehe ;)
Putty - This simple Telnet application could hang with the big boys.
VERSION 0.52.
- Install: No needed install.
- Run: No. (it doesn't show the right part of the window, regression????)
Very strange. PuTTY used to work.
Yes I have seen it working around to 15 days ago, it remembers me that 12zip is other application with regression in the last 15 days.
And please don't name it "Telnet application". Telnet is a small part of it that should be neglected as much as possible.
Good, i haven't done the descriptions ;), it is copied from tucows :)
Regards, Carlos.
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Carlos Lozano wrote: [...]
Putty - This simple Telnet application could hang with the big boys.
VERSION 0.52.
- Install: No needed install.
- Run: No. (it doesn't show the right part of the window, regression????)
Very strange. PuTTY used to work.
Yes I have seen it working around to 15 days ago, it remembers me that 12zip is other application with regression in the last 15 days.
That's another aspect where Application Owners would be very useful to the Wine project: by detecting regressions as soon as possible.
I'm sure Dimitrie will agree with me if I say that having people test applications on a daily basis made it easier for him to debug the listviews.
In the same way it would be very useful to get timely reports when a change in Wine breaks an application. The sooner bugs are discovered, the more likely it is that the developper will fix the bug, or even still be around.
This means having people, 'Application Owners', use an application (and it's ok if it's just one) _regularly_, and immediately report any regression with details of when it last worked and when it stopped working. It probably won't be daily but it would be great if it was weekly, or at least after each Wine release.
Applications:
Internet Explorer - This listing includes 5.01, 5.01 High Encryption Pack, 5.5, 6.0 Beta and the long awaited, official release of 6.0.
VERSION 5.5. (from cdrom)
- Install: No, with native urlmon stops a bit later.
- Run: Unknown.
It is possible install Internet Explorer 5.5, if you have installed first DCOM95 or DCOM98 (it depends of the "Windows" = "winXX"), and using urlmon native.
After of install, it looks like that you have to remove the file wininit.ini (reboot issues), and renaming some files, but after even using the native dlls from the config file entry iexplore.exe, it will not work.
Regards, Carlos.
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Dimitrie O. Paun -
Francois Gouget -
Joerg Mayer