--- Jeremy Newman jnewman@codeweavers.com wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 15:00, Dustin Navea wrote:
One thing I noticed is that the Classic Theme's Text on the word
Development
in the graphic at the top is the same color as the background making it invisible, therefore making it look like: Wine HQ
I noticed this with Netscape 4. The logo is a PNG, with the background transparent. But Netscape 4 (and some other browsers) do not support opacity in PNG. To see what the logo is supposed to look like when PNG is supported properly, load up in Mozilla 1+.
It showed this in IE5.5, I am at work without access to a linux box so I cant check it until tonight
I am of a mindset to not support Netscape 4. The whole JPG/Gif issues notwithstanding.
Also, I still say there should be some other color options besides dark
red,
that color almost makes my eyes melt out of their sockets. >;) I would
say
add a white wine skin and maybe a champaigne or a mad dog (the malt
liquor)
skin... ;)
I'll make some skin docs when I'm done. I'm more concerned with the backend code ATM.
lol i know it was a just a suggestion for your todo
-Dustin
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On Tuesday 05 November 2002 03:47 pm, Dustin Navea wrote:
--- Jeremy Newman jnewman@codeweavers.com wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 15:00, Dustin Navea wrote:
One thing I noticed is that the Classic Theme's Text on the word
Development
in the graphic at the top is the same color as the background making it invisible, therefore making it look like: Wine HQ
I noticed this with Netscape 4. The logo is a PNG, with the background transparent. But Netscape 4 (and some other browsers) do not support opacity in PNG. To see what the logo is supposed to look like when PNG is supported properly, load up in Mozilla 1+.
It showed this in IE5.5, I am at work without access to a linux box so I cant check it until tonight
IE has broken png support, as well.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:15, Igor Izyumin wrote:
On Tuesday 05 November 2002 03:47 pm, Dustin Navea wrote:
--- Jeremy Newman jnewman@codeweavers.com wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 15:00, Dustin Navea wrote:
One thing I noticed is that the Classic Theme's Text on the word
Development
in the graphic at the top is the same color as the background making it invisible, therefore making it look like: Wine HQ
I noticed this with Netscape 4. The logo is a PNG, with the background transparent. But Netscape 4 (and some other browsers) do not support opacity in PNG. To see what the logo is supposed to look like when PNG is supported properly, load up in Mozilla 1+.
It showed this in IE5.5, I am at work without access to a linux box so I cant check it until tonight
IE has broken png support, as well.
There are a couple fixes for IE + png posted at:
http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngfaq.html#msie
I thought I had seen one that used JavaScript, but I can't seem to find it. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Rick
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:31, Rick Romero wrote:
There are a couple fixes for IE + png posted at: http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngfaq.html#msie I thought I had seen one that used JavaScript, but I can't seem to find it. Maybe I'm mistaken.
I should correct myself here. IE's support of PNG is busted. The PNG's load, but they do not render opacity correctly. Like in my images, instead of a transparent background it renders it with some color from the image.
Compare the logo between Mozilla and IE and you'll see what I mean.
I blame IE here, but it could be Gimp's fault as well. I'll play with it some more. I'll try saving the image from Paint Shop or Photoshop to see if that makes any change.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:50, Jeremy Newman wrote:
I blame IE here, but it could be Gimp's fault as well.
Oh, how could I blame Gimp. Of course it's MS IE that is at fault. :-)
Here is a good page on PNG support in browsers. http://trific.ath.cx/web/png/
On November 5, 2002 06:04 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote:
Oh, how could I blame Gimp. Of course it's MS IE that is at fault. :-)
Do we really need transparency? Can't we deal with it by making the 'transparent' portion the right background color?
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 17:36, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
On November 5, 2002 06:04 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote:
Oh, how could I blame Gimp. Of course it's MS IE that is at fault. :-)
Do we really need transparency? Can't we deal with it by making the 'transparent' portion the right background color?
Do I really need my left nut? No, but I really want to keep it. :-p
On November 5, 2002 07:03 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote:
Do I really need my left nut? No, but I really want to keep it. :-p
I hear you, as I happen to share your feelings. ;) But: -- we have to support IE 5.5, no way around this one -- as an OSS site, we shouldn't really use .gifs I know, simulating 'transparency' means we have to decide on a background. Oh well, it's a big mess, I guess .gifs are an option...
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 05:04:20PM -0600, Jeremy Newman wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:50, Jeremy Newman wrote:
I blame IE here, but it could be Gimp's fault as well.
Oh, how could I blame Gimp. Of course it's MS IE that is at fault. :-)
Here is a good page on PNG support in browsers. http://trific.ath.cx/web/png/
I'm starting to wonder silently whether that's *intentional* on Microsoft's part...
After all *all* major Linux browsers support it properly...
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:15, Igor Izyumin wrote:
IE has broken png support, as well.
Yes it does doesn't it. So far the only ones that support PNG are Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. I tested Konq 2.2, it got the transparency right, but not the shadow and the anti-aliasing of the image to the background color.
Looks like I may have to fall back to GIF, since PNG is not supported. Unless someone knows of a workaround. I created my images in Gimp.
--- Jeremy Newman jnewman@codeweavers.com wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:15, Igor Izyumin wrote:
IE has broken png support, as well.
Yes it does doesn't it. So far the only ones that support PNG are Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. I tested Konq 2.2, it got the transparency right, but not the shadow and the anti-aliasing of the image to the background color.
Looks like I may have to fall back to GIF, since PNG is not supported. Unless someone knows of a workaround. I created my images in Gimp.
You could try using AOL's .art format ;-P
Just in case anyone on here couldn't tell, and so I dont get flamed to hell, I was just kidding about that.. :p
-Dustin
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If you look at these files:
http://theoretic.com/template.css
and
http://theoretic.com/pngbehavior.htc
you can see how to get PNG transparency in IE. Essentially it involves uploading the .htc file and referencing it via CSS. Ugly, but it works.
The reason this is needed is because some time ago now (i think in ie5 or ie5.5) MS integrated *cough* IE with the DirectX imaging model, DirectShow in particular I think. This allows things like page transitions and quite advanced imaging/filtering within web pages. I've never actually seen this functionality used out on the web for anything other than working around their broken transparency support however.
The COM object it uses is referred to as "DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader". Interestingly, when running IE6 under Wine this doesn't work at all presumably due to the missing DirectX dependencies. For some reason this sometimes extends to transparent GIFs as well, for an example see msn.com top left or:
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/96/35/index2a.html
in Mozilla, then IE under Wine. In Mozilla, works fine every time. In IE/Wine it works sometimes, other times the transparency is missing or the wrong color (at least here). It's not a big issue so I don't intend to investigate further, but it might prove useful in building web pages.
thanks -mike
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 22:38, Jeremy Newman wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:15, Igor Izyumin wrote:
IE has broken png support, as well.
Yes it does doesn't it. So far the only ones that support PNG are Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. I tested Konq 2.2, it got the transparency right, but not the shadow and the anti-aliasing of the image to the background color.
Looks like I may have to fall back to GIF, since PNG is not supported. Unless someone knows of a workaround. I created my images in Gimp.
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