Purely academic, I know, but m-w doesn't know "updated" as an adjective. To the best of my knowledge, "the list is now updated" is slang. Am I wrong here? From the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary
update verb [T] 1 to make something more modern or suitable for use now by adding new information or changing its design: an updated version of the software
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=87314&dict=CALD
It definitely isn't slang.
Ivan Leo Murray-Smith wrote:
Purely academic, I know, but m-w doesn't know "updated" as an adjective. To the best of my knowledge, "the list is now updated" is slang. Am I wrong here?
From the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary
update verb [T] 1 to make something more modern or suitable for use now by adding new information or changing its design: an updated version of the software
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=87314&dict=CALD
It definitely isn't slang.
Thats the problem! You have your fine dictonary in hand, so you think you know how to speak english... but when you visit a english speaking country the people you speak to look like a deer caught in a spot light! In other words sure ... Shachar... is 100% correct..... I will give him that! but in the real world.. where I live people would just look and say,......... ummm. That young man has spent way to many years in school. A text book genius but bumb as as creek rock when it comes to common sence..
Shachar don't get mad or pissed.. I had to find someone for my eniligey.. :) And beleive you me even as dumb as I am people here think im a road scholar. And thats not saying very much :(
As far as slang goes.. I can speak three different versions of slang NE slang, African American, SE Hill Billy, take your pick.
And as me and Dmitry have had a little fude over this before american english is not the same as the Queens English... And if you dont trust me.... Just come for a visit :)
And not to piss off the brits as I have the israelis........ Your English is far superior to what we would ever except as being english........ As we sound more like the Welsh....
Tom
Thats the problem! You have your fine dictonary in hand, so you think you know how to speak english... but when you visit a english speaking country the people you speak to look like a deer caught in a spot light! In other words sure ... Shachar... is 100% correct..... I will give him that! but in the real world.. where I live people would just look and say,......... ummm. That young man has spent way to many years in school. A text book genius but bumb as as creek rock when it comes to common sence..
Shachar don't get mad or pissed.. I had to find someone for my eniligey.. :) And beleive you me even as dumb as I am people here think im a road scholar. And thats not saying very much :(
As far as slang goes.. I can speak three different versions of slang NE slang, African American, SE Hill Billy, take your pick.
And as me and Dmitry have had a little fude over this before american english is not the same as the Queens English... And if you dont trust me.... Just come for a visit :)
And not to piss off the brits as I have the israelis........ Your English is far superior to what we would ever except as being english........ As we sound more like the Welsh....
Is this English? I don't know where you're from, but I don't count such poor grammar as even being included in the English language...
I would have to say that judging from the postings I've seen so far, I would say Shachar's English is much better than whatever it is that you are speaking (if indeed it is supposed to be English).
One who speaks "English" in such a manner should never make an argument as to what is "proper english".
Kelly Leahy
Tom wrote:
Thats the problem! You have your fine dictonary in hand, so you think you know how to speak english... but when you visit a english speaking country the people you speak to look like a deer caught in a spot light!
I can find my way around America without having too much difficulties. It's just that I think documentation deserves better.
Shachar don't get mad or pissed.. I had to find someone for my eniligey.. :)
I'll try to figure out what "eniligey" means before I get pissed.... :-). Even google has nothing to say about that word.....
I wasn't mad about you being wrong. I was mad about you treating everyone correcting you as if they were dumb.
As far as slang goes.. I can speak three different versions of slang NE slang, African American, SE Hill Billy, take your pick.
The question is whether you should write docs in slang. Answering your private mail - I installed RedHat servers with locale set to Red Neck too. I stopped when too many programs started complaining that they don't have the right language of tools. I figured the humor does have to give way, occasionally, to functionlity (Monty Python's Complete Waste of Time CD nonwithstanding, of course. Which reminds me, I should check whether it works on Wine....).
And as me and Dmitry have had a little fude over this before american english is not the same as the Queens English... And if you dont trust me.... Just come for a visit :)
Of the two, it's actually Britan that I've never been to.
And not to piss off the brits as I have the israelis........ Your English is far superior to what we would ever except as being english........ As we sound more like the Welsh....
I think we can get rid of the "American vs. English" jokes right now. Too cliche.
Tom
Shachar
-----Original Message----- From: wine-devel-admin@winehq.org [mailto:wine-devel-admin@winehq.org]On Behalf Of Tom Sent: 10 September 2003 15:35 To: Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Cc: kernelnewbies; wine-devel Subject: Re: FAQ: Update the ports section
Thats the problem! You have your fine dictonary in hand, so you think you know how to speak english... but when you visit a english speaking country the people you speak to look like a deer caught in a spot light!
Are you trying to start a flame war?!? AFAIK Ivan is a native English speaker.
In other words sure ... Shachar... is 100% correct..... I will give him that! but in the real world.. where I live people would just look and say,......... ummm. That young man has spent way to many years in school. A text book genius but bumb as as creek rock when it comes to common sence..
I can't think of anywhere that would think "The list are now up to date" as proper use of English. As you say, Shachar is 100% correct.
And not to piss off the brits as I have the israelis........ Your English is far superior to what we would ever except as being english........ As we sound more like the Welsh....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You mean the Irish :)
Rob
Thats the problem! You have your fine dictonary in hand, so you think you know how to speak english... but when you visit a english speaking country the people you speak to look like a deer caught in a spot light! In other words sure ... Shachar... is 100% correct..... I will give him that! but in the real world.. where I live people would just look and say,......... ummm. That young man has spent way to many years in school. A text book genius but bumb as as creek rock when it comes to common sence..
I'm not native English myself, but I sure prefer looking too intelligent than too dumb. So when I find a book which is a standard then I would follow this, no matter how many people think otherwise. At least I can say then "I wrote it like that because of this rule" and not just because "I think it's correct". But I guess there will never be a concensus about language as there are so many dialects/variants...
bye Fabi
First of all, I'd like to say that it really bothers me that someone who claims to be a native english speaker (not sure who made the comment originally) would argue that "are" is in valid grammatical usage in the "sentence" (footnote 1): "the list are now up to date" (IN ANY STATE OR COUNTRY for that matter). This is very disappointing to me, and all I can say about it is that I would recommend that any such person avoid writing and speaking as much as possible so as to not embarass himself.
If you are trying to make a statement as to the accuracy of the list, w.r.t. events over time, I would recommend a statement such as:
The list is current as of XX/XX/XXXX. (footnote 2)
The problem with a statement such as "The list is now up to date" is that it is inherently useless whether it is true or not. For instance, if the list IS up to date, then the statement is true, but at the same time, if the list is not up to date, it will still read that it IS until it is updated, at which time it will be up to date again. In other words, this statement provides no information, since when it's true, it's what you would expect, and when it's false, you don't have any incentive to change it to reflect the truth, because in doing so, you could just update the list and make it true again.
A last updated date at least improves this situation slightly by indicating how "stale" the list is. If, for instance, no changes have been made to the list for some time, but the list is believed to be up to date - nonetheless - then the maintainer can change the "last updated" date to reflect that the list has been checked for accuracy and completeness more recently than the last time it was changed.
(1) in quotes because in my opinion, something that is not grammatically correct cannot be called a sentence
(2) I'll admit I'm not sure of the grammatical validity of this statement, as the list was current, but is not necessarily still current, but I think "is" is the more customary usage here, than "was".
Kelly Leahy
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