Internationalisation (bug #452)

[Sylvain Petreolle]

Hi,

I'm currentlly converting winhelp for NLS use.
I have to problems to use Va.rc,since I don't know 
whis country this file is associed to. (probably due
to
the fact I was asleep in history & geography :) ).

I looked in dlls/kernel/nls but didn't see it.

Can someone help ?

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[Johan Gill]

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currentlly converting winhelp for NLS use.
> I have to problems to use Va.rc,since I don't know
> whis country this file is associed to. (probably due
> to
> the fact I was asleep in history & geography :) ).

That could be the Vatican.

/Johan Gill, [e-mail]

[Francois Gouget]

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Johan Gill wrote:
> On Tue, 7 May 2002, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm currentlly converting winhelp for NLS use.
> > I have to problems to use Va.rc,since I don't know
> > whis country this file is associed to. (probably due
> > to
> > the fact I was asleep in history & geography :) ).
>
> That could be the Vatican.

Yes probably. The .va TLD is for the Vatican and this is based on the
ISO 3166-1 standard. So one could expect whoever (MS?) to have reused
the same standard.

http://www.iana.org/root-whois/va.htm

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[Eric Pouech]

Francois Gouget a écrit :
> On Tue, 7 May 2002, Johan Gill wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 May 2002, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm currentlly converting winhelp for NLS use.
> > > I have to problems to use Va.rc,since I don't know
> > > whis country this file is associed to. (probably due
> > > to
> > > the fact I was asleep in history & geography :) ).
> >
> > That could be the Vatican.
>
> Yes probably. The .va TLD is for the Vatican and this is based on the
> ISO 3166-1 standard. So one could expect whoever (MS?) to have reused
> the same standard.

looking on google for some of the words used in the file seem to
indicate
that this is in fact "suisse roman" (romanche in English ?), perhaps 
Alexandre could give an hint on this very important issue ;-)))

I don't think that Vatican guards being Swiss Guards is the explanation
of the Va name

A+

[Vincent Béron]

Eric Pouech a écrit :
> Francois Gouget a écrit :
> > On Tue, 7 May 2002, Johan Gill wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 May 2002, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm currentlly converting winhelp for NLS use.
> > > > I have to problems to use Va.rc,since I don't know
> > > > whis country this file is associed to. (probably due
> > > > to
> > > > the fact I was asleep in history & geography :) ).
> > >
> > > That could be the Vatican.
> >
> > Yes probably. The .va TLD is for the Vatican and this is based on the
> > ISO 3166-1 standard. So one could expect whoever (MS?) to have reused
> > the same standard.
>
> looking on google for some of the words used in the file seem to
> indicate
> that this is in fact "suisse roman" (romanche in English ?), perhaps
> Alexandre could give an hint on this very important issue ;-)))
>
> I don't think that Vatican guards being Swiss Guards is the explanation
> of the Va name
>
> A+

Look at the top of the file:

* Rumantsch Ladin (Vallader) by [e-mail]

and a bit lower...

#define LANGUAGE_ID                  Rl

So I think we can be confident, as Eric pointed out, that this file is a
"suisse roman" translation. Although I don't understand why the
LANGUAGE_ID doesn't match the filename, as all other files in that
directory match.

So to the original question, to which country associate the file Va.rc,
the answer is Switzerland. But maybe it'd be a good idea to rename it
Rl.rc, to keep the consistency.

Marcel, if you get this message (your last contribution is dated 1999 in
ChangeLog), could you help us on this (reason for name of the file)?
Thank you!

Vincent

[Alexandre Julliard]

Eric Pouech  writes:
> looking on google for some of the words used in the file seem to
> indicate
> that this is in fact "suisse roman" (romanche in English ?), perhaps 
> Alexandre could give an hint on this very important issue ;-)))

It's apparently "Rumantsch" (not sure about the English name) which is
the 4th Swiss national language (after German, French and Italian). It
is only spoken by perhaps a few thousand people in the eastern parts
of Switzerland. It should not be confused with "suisse roman" which is
the language spoken in the western part of Switzerland (where I'm
from), and which is basically French except for a few strange words
that make us sound funny when we go to France.

In Windows terms I think Rumantsch should be LANG_RHAETO_ROMANCE
(though this constant only appears in Wine headers so I'm not sure if
that's an official Windows definition). The file is named Va.rc
apparently because this is the "Vallader" variant of Rumantsch; there
are at least 5 variants according to
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/pater/JPN-rumantsch.html (you sure
find strange things on google...). Don't ask me what are the
differences between the variants <g>

[Francois Gouget]

On 7 May 2002, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
[...]
> In Windows terms I think Rumantsch should be LANG_RHAETO_ROMANCE
> (though this constant only appears in Wine headers so I'm not sure if
> that's an official Windows definition). The file is named Va.rc
> apparently because this is the "Vallader" variant of Rumantsch; there
> are at least 5 variants according to

Interesting :-)
Would Ch_Va.rc be a better name?
Or maybe Ch_VA.rc or ch_VA.rc to match things like En_US, fr_FR, etc.?

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[Alexandre Julliard]

Francois Gouget  writes:
> Interesting :-)
> Would Ch_Va.rc be a better name?
> Or maybe Ch_VA.rc or ch_VA.rc to match things like En_US, fr_FR, etc.?

I think Va.rc is fine. It's not like the other files have better
names, and there's a comment in the file saying what it is anyway.

[Sylvain Petreolle]

If we want to support the langage, we should put in
a new nls language description in dlls/kernel/winnls,
because no one exists for now.
do you agree with this or should we stop the support
for this language ?
> In Windows terms I think Rumantsch should be
> LANG_RHAETO_ROMANCE
> (though this constant only appears in Wine headers
> so I'm not sure if
> that's an official Windows definition). The file is

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[Alexandre Julliard]

Sylvain Petreolle  writes:
> If we want to support the langage, we should put in
> a new nls language description in dlls/kernel/winnls,
> because no one exists for now.
> do you agree with this or should we stop the support
> for this language ?

I suggest we just ignore it until someone who cares takes the trouble
to make it work again. It's not like there is a huge public demand for
that language <g>

[Andriy Palamarchuk]

--- Sylvain Petreolle  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currentlly converting winhelp for NLS use.
> I have to problems to use Va.rc,since I don't know 
> whis country this file is associed to. (probably due
> to
> the fact I was asleep in history & geography :) ).
>
> I looked in dlls/kernel/nls but didn't see it.
>
> Can someone help ?

Hmm, I either did not find it in the list of
languages:
http://www-old.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/http/related/iso639.txt

Andriy

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