What would it take (how much would it cost us) to move the www.winehq.org site to another server?
We have had this problem for a while now (over a week) that our main site has been sporaticly unavailable. I appreciate all the work Jeremy Newman has put into trying to find the problem but I think that having all of websites (excepting the wiki) on one box is a bad idea in the long run. I think that we should dedicate a box to www.winehq.org since having a uninterupted presence on the web is critical to Wine's image.
Right now we host quite a number of different services on the one box. Ideally we could have a redundant/mirrored solution but that is not esential at this point.
This is my list in order of importance (wiki is not on this list because it is already on a separate box)
Git - Essential service (easy to miror) www.winehq.org - critical to our image (easy to mirror ???) mysql - critical to appdb and bugzilla (cannot mirror effectively) bugs.winehq.org - important to fixing bugs ;^) (hard to mirror) appdb.winehq.org - userland mostly. ( yes it's important but not critical) (hard to miror) mailing lists archives - we already have redundancy here. cvs - needed for web site development and people not converted to git (easy to mirror)
Buying an used box for $500-1000(us) and dedicating it to www.winehq.org is one option I see (and am willing to help pay for). I am sure there are other options but I wanted to at least open the dicussion.
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Tony Lambregts
Hi Tony,
I don't know; that strikes me as overkill. We do have rack space for more servers, so we certainly could drop more in; if someone wants to buy 1U servers, we can put those in.
But it seems like adding additional admin work in response to a single software glitch is a mistake. I think we should focus on finding and fixing this bug. It's got to be simple; something is making Apache run crazy, and we should stop it.
I suppose we could start running separate Apache images on the one server - one for bugs, one for the appdb, and so on; that might help us figure out which one is going crazy faster. But I think Jer has a few other angles of attack on this as well...
Cheers,
Jeremy
Tony Lambregts wrote:
What would it take (how much would it cost us) to move the www.winehq.org site to another server?
We have had this problem for a while now (over a week) that our main site has been sporaticly unavailable. I appreciate all the work Jeremy Newman has put into trying to find the problem but I think that having all of websites (excepting the wiki) on one box is a bad idea in the long run. I think that we should dedicate a box to www.winehq.org since having a uninterupted presence on the web is critical to Wine's image.
Right now we host quite a number of different services on the one box. Ideally we could have a redundant/mirrored solution but that is not esential at this point.
This is my list in order of importance (wiki is not on this list because it is already on a separate box)
Git - Essential service (easy to miror) www.winehq.org - critical to our image (easy to mirror ???) mysql - critical to appdb and bugzilla (cannot mirror effectively) bugs.winehq.org - important to fixing bugs ;^) (hard to mirror) appdb.winehq.org - userland mostly. ( yes it's important but not critical) (hard to miror) mailing lists archives - we already have redundancy here. cvs - needed for web site development and people not converted to git (easy to mirror)
Buying an used box for $500-1000(us) and dedicating it to www.winehq.org is one option I see (and am willing to help pay for). I am sure there are other options but I wanted to at least open the dicussion.
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Tony Lambregts
I don't know; that strikes me as overkill. We do have rack space for more servers, so we certainly could drop more in; if someone wants to buy 1U servers, we can put those in.
Looking at the traffic reports, it seems like the WineHQ server is serving A LOT more than it ever has. We're at 300GB a month compared to 200GB a year ago at this time. And I seem to recall a year before that we were a lot lower. The only thing that looks simple to offload is the Changelog, which accounts for 16GB of traffic a month.
I dunno, I know Newman does a lot of that work in his free time and it's not exactly the most glamorous job. I'm sure he could have advanced a few extra levels in WoW by now. What would be nice in a world of infinite time, money and resources would be to have 2 webservers that mirror each other set up as a DNS round robin with a separate MySQL backend box. (Or, have the MySQL box on the front end also doing the DNS.)
But I do have to agree with Jeremy - there's a bug that needs to be fixed first.
-Brian
On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 19:27 -0700, Brian Vincent wrote:
I don't know; that strikes me as overkill. We do have rack space for more servers, so we certainly could drop more in; if someone wants to buy 1U servers, we can put those in.
Looking at the traffic reports, it seems like the WineHQ server is serving A LOT more than it ever has. We're at 300GB a month compared to 200GB a year ago at this time. And I seem to recall a year before that we were a lot lower. The only thing that looks simple to offload is the Changelog, which accounts for 16GB of traffic a month.
Once again, I'd like to offer up the server we already have hosted by budgetdedicated.com. Currently it just hosts the Ubuntu APT repository, but it's quite capable of doing a LOT more.
In November, it served up 1.5 TB of data, at a rate maxing out around 3mb per second on release days.
I've already asked, and they have no problem with us offloading some of our meager site onto it :)
Thanks, Scott Ritchie
On 12/12/06, Scott Ritchie scott@open-vote.org wrote:
On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 19:27 -0700, Brian Vincent wrote:
I don't know; that strikes me as overkill. We do have rack space for more servers, so we certainly could drop more in; if someone wants to buy 1U servers, we can put those in.
Looking at the traffic reports, it seems like the WineHQ server is serving A LOT more than it ever has. We're at 300GB a month compared to 200GB a year ago at this time. And I seem to recall a year before that we were a lot lower. The only thing that looks simple to offload is the Changelog, which accounts for 16GB of traffic a month.
Once again, I'd like to offer up the server we already have hosted by budgetdedicated.com. Currently it just hosts the Ubuntu APT repository, but it's quite capable of doing a LOT more.
In November, it served up 1.5 TB of data, at a rate maxing out around 3mb per second on release days.
I've already asked, and they have no problem with us offloading some of our meager site onto it :)
Thanks, Scott Ritchie
The main site uses php a lot, is that available?
Having our main site (www.winehq.org) (mirrored or hosted) at a separate site poses a problem of what to do for the mail archives IE: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-announce/ (not that I find them as useful as before) I think that we could address this issue if changed the hosting of the archive to be http://forums.winehq.org (or something similar) like we do with git and cvs.
I would like to see mirrored solution myself where we have two (or more) sites that respond to www.winehq.org and this seems to be an opportunity to do it.
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