What's the advantage of this? You'd still have to use the wine kernel right? I'd loe to be able to get a relay trace from an app running under windows, but if you still have to use the wine kernel, there isn't much advantage is there?
Yes, you see the problem and the limitations we currently have. The reason why this isn't 100% possible is because dll separation isn't complete. Have a look at the the internal Wineserver functions and the debugging code that the dlls depend on. This was discussed a little at wineconf. Patrik Stridvall is doing the MS_VC++ port of wine and I'm working on the mingw/cygwin port. Once wine can be built on these platforms it will be easier for us to find/fix WINEisms in the DLL's and work around/fix them. On platforms where we don't need a wineserver this is a bitch.
I need to be able to build the wine dlls under mingw for ReactOS. ReactOS uses its own makefile/helper makefile system without GNU autoconf/automake. Rather then import the wine dlls as we have done in the past, hack on them for a while, then fight to merge changes back in, I want to do a clean port to cygwin/mingw that can upgraded independently of the rest of the ReactOS system. This helps us and this helps wine by giving wine another platform to work on and moving ReactOS along.
ReactOS has a win32k.sys that provides the kernel mode portion of the NT-like win32 subsystem. What we are lacking on the ReactOS project is the user space side. The wine dlls provide this completion of the win32 subsystem.
/* never mind that we don't have windowing working yet =P */
The way we have worked around the bugs in the wine dlls is that we have added support to our NTDLL.DLL for the debugging features of the wine portion of the Win32 subsystem. I don't know if this will work or not because well we don't have windowing working yet. Once DLL separation is complete, there should be nothing left in the DLL's other then the debugging stuff that will cause a issue with portability to any OS.
Steven
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 06:02:04PM -0500, Steven Edwards wrote:
What's the advantage of this? You'd still have to use the wine kernel right? I'd loe to be able to get a relay trace from an app running under windows, but if you still have to use the wine kernel, there isn't much advantage is there?
Well, if you'd love it, then just do love it. ;-)
man APIS32 ;-)
APIS32 can do *exactly* that. It costs about $20 registration, I think. (there are varying amounts of registration fees, though).
Excessive logging frequently makes the program crash/hang, but you can always selectively pause logging until you reach the interesting part.
And of course you can edit/extend your own "custom" DLL function description files, so that you can even trace your own DLLs' functions (or other DLLs that you're interested in, of course)
In short: *highly* useful for helping Wine debugging directly on Windows. (I've been able to fix several things due to this program)
Conclusion: nearly everyone should make use of it.
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Steven Edwards