Fwd: [Wine] Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?

[Austin English]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: nengad24 
Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:54 AM
Subject: [Wine]  Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?
To: [e-mail]

Hi, Im posting here the next doubt:

Yesterday a korean company has released a new OS which is compatible
with MS Windows Apps. As they state, they are a propietary OS, and i
cant see any GPL code or SVN repository.Of course my lack of Korean
can help to not find the open source code,but the little im able to
read seems they arent going to release any source code.

I know that is quite difficult to replicate Windows APIs, so i´m
asking myself if this OS is using Wine code to replicate the APIs.

If they are using, they could be violating GPL rules.
http://www.tmaxwindow.co.kr/

If you want to have more Info, i point you to the ReactOS Forum,where
a thread about this Company can be found.

http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7134&st=0&sk=t&...
TMax wanted to support MS Windows drivers "using ReactOS as
reference(sic)" thanks to "ReactOS is GPL code" but seems they werent
able to "replicate" and that they just use a Kernel(i didnt find which
one)and "their Code" to support Windows Apps.

I know there is somekind of not good relation between Wine and
ReactOS, but it´s my obligation to aware you about this issue since we
(ReactOS+Wine) are members of the Open Source Community.

Wishing that my feels are wrong,and that any GPL has been violated,
One Open Source Community Guy.

[Wine] Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?

[Ben Klein]

2009/7/8 Austin English :
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: nengad24 
> -- snip --
> Yesterday a korean company has released a new OS which is compatible
> with MS Windows Apps.
> -- snip --
> http://www.tmaxwindow.co.kr/
>
> If you want to have more Info, i point you to the ReactOS Forum,where
> a thread about this Company can be found.

Someone posted a cnet blog article about tmax to #winehq, but without
any real details or investigation, or someone more reputable than cnet
commenting on it, I personally dismissed it as "yet another localised,
doomed OS".

After reading the ReactOS thread linked in the original forwarded
mail, it looks like it's a blatant violation of GPL (and LGPL)
spanning many projects, and FSF's legal team should be alerted.

[Wine] Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?

[Austin English]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Ben Klein wrote:
> 2009/7/8 Austin English :
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: nengad24 
> > -- snip --
> > Yesterday a korean company has released a new OS which is compatible
> > with MS Windows Apps.
> > -- snip --
> > http://www.tmaxwindow.co.kr/
> >
> > If you want to have more Info, i point you to the ReactOS Forum,where
> > a thread about this Company can be found.
>
> Someone posted a cnet blog article about tmax to #winehq, but without
> any real details or investigation, or someone more reputable than cnet
> commenting on it, I personally dismissed it as "yet another localised,
> doomed OS".
>
> After reading the ReactOS thread linked in the original forwarded
> mail, it looks like it's a blatant violation of GPL (and LGPL)
> spanning many projects, and FSF's legal team should be alerted.

As was already pointed out, unless it's certain that Wine's copyright
is being infringed, that's a harsh step.

First, it needs to be verified that Wine's license is being violated.
Then, someone holding a copyright in Wine's source code needs to
complain, since they have standing.

[Wine] Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?

[Austin Lund]

2009/7/8 Austin English :
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Ben Klein wrote:
> > 2009/7/8 Austin English :
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: nengad24 
> > > -- snip --
> > > Yesterday a korean company has released a new OS which is compatible
> > > with MS Windows Apps.
> > > -- snip --
> > > http://www.tmaxwindow.co.kr/
> > >
> > > If you want to have more Info, i point you to the ReactOS Forum,where
> > > a thread about this Company can be found.
> >
> > Someone posted a cnet blog article about tmax to #winehq, but without
> > any real details or investigation, or someone more reputable than cnet
> > commenting on it, I personally dismissed it as "yet another localised,
> > doomed OS".
> >
> > After reading the ReactOS thread linked in the original forwarded
> > mail, it looks like it's a blatant violation of GPL (and LGPL)
> > spanning many projects, and FSF's legal team should be alerted.
>
> As was already pointed out, unless it's certain that Wine's copyright
> is being infringed, that's a harsh step.
>
> First, it needs to be verified that Wine's license is being violated.
> Then, someone holding a copyright in Wine's source code needs to
> complain, since they have standing.
> --
> -Austin

Surely the wine test suite would be a rough guide.

[Wine] Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?

[Nicklas Börjesson]

> Surely the wine test suite would be a rough guide.

Some more information(a marketwire article):

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Tmax-1013937.html

The company behind it:

http://us.tmaxsoft.com/jsp/main.jsp

//Nicklas

[Wine] Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?

[Ben Klein]

2009/7/8 Austin English :
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Ben Klein wrote:
> > 2009/7/8 Austin English :
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: nengad24 
> > > -- snip --
> > > Yesterday a korean company has released a new OS which is compatible
> > > with MS Windows Apps.
> > > -- snip --
> > > http://www.tmaxwindow.co.kr/
> > >
> > > If you want to have more Info, i point you to the ReactOS Forum,where
> > > a thread about this Company can be found.
> >
> > Someone posted a cnet blog article about tmax to #winehq, but without
> > any real details or investigation, or someone more reputable than cnet
> > commenting on it, I personally dismissed it as "yet another localised,
> > doomed OS".
> >
> > After reading the ReactOS thread linked in the original forwarded
> > mail, it looks like it's a blatant violation of GPL (and LGPL)
> > spanning many projects, and FSF's legal team should be alerted.
>
> As was already pointed out, unless it's certain that Wine's copyright
> is being infringed, that's a harsh step.
>
> First, it needs to be verified that Wine's license is being violated.
> Then, someone holding a copyright in Wine's source code needs to
> complain, since they have standing.
> --
> -Austin

It does look very suspicious. Someone mentioned that the mail client
looks exactly like Thunderbird, that the office suite looks exactly
like OpenOffice.org, and based on a comment I read about acid3 test
support, the browser is almost certainly webkit-based ...

[Scott Ritchie]

Austin English wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: nengad24 
> Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:54 AM
> Subject: [Wine]  Tmax Window(a propietary OS) using Wine?
> To: [e-mail]
>
> Hi, Im posting here the next doubt:
>
> Yesterday a korean company has released a new OS which is compatible
> with MS Windows Apps. As they state, they are a propietary OS, and i
> cant see any GPL code or SVN repository.Of course my lack of Korean
> can help to not find the open source code,but the little im able to
> read seems they arent going to release any source code.
>
> I know that is quite difficult to replicate Windows APIs, so i´m
> asking myself if this OS is using Wine code to replicate the APIs.
>
> If they are using, they could be violating GPL rules.
> http://www.tmaxwindow.co.kr/

I don't know why we even have to discuss this, it's obviously either a
fraud or a GPL violation.

Thanks,
Scott Ritchie