Hello,
just someone informed me that I MUST NOT vote for my own bugs. Is there a reason for it?
I like to vote for those of my own bugs which are important to me.
It really surprised me that there is this kind of rule and that it can make your bug being closed as invalid: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22857
Best regards, Florian
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Florian Köberle florian@fkoeberle.de wrote:
Hello,
just someone informed me that I MUST NOT vote for my own bugs. Is there a reason for it?
I think it is disallowed because self promotion can make an app more important while only few people may use it.
To be honest I would even suggest that we drop this voting stuff altogether. Personally I think not much developers look at votes at all. They more look at regressions they caused or bugs in their field of expertise. Further most are unpaid and work on stuff they like, so I doubt votes lead them much.
For users votes might be confusing as well. They think voting gives a bug more priority to fix but as I already mentioned I doubt it helps (it could help for commercial Wine distributions).
Roderick
On 25 May 2010 09:27, Roderick Colenbrander thunderbird2k@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Florian Köberle florian@fkoeberle.de wrote:
just someone informed me that I MUST NOT vote for my own bugs. Is there a reason for it?
I think it is disallowed because self promotion can make an app more important while only few people may use it.
So, er ... why not disable the ability to do such a thing? Rather than shouting at people and closing otherwise-valid bugs. I suppose it depends how much you need to put people off participating at all.
- d.
On Tue, 25 May 2010 10:27:00 +0200 Roderick Colenbrander thunderbird2k@gmail.com wrote:
For users votes might be confusing as well. They think voting gives a bug more priority to fix but as I already mentioned I doubt it helps (it could help for commercial Wine distributions).
+1 It's definitely misleading to users. There are sporadic posts on the forum urging people to vote for a bug, as if it made a difference, and angry posts that bugs that have lots of votes aren't fixed yet. The one purpose I can see it serving is that a bug can be "confirmed by popular vote" and the status changed to new if a couple of people vote for it. That's why users shouldn't vote for their own bugs--the point is independent confirmation. So I'm all for removing the field, but if it's kept, I suggest at least changing the wording from "vote" to something like "confirm you can reproduce this bug."
On 25 May 2010 14:45, Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net wrote:
It's definitely misleading to users. There are sporadic posts on the forum urging people to vote for a bug, as if it made a difference, and angry posts that bugs that have lots of votes aren't fixed yet. The one purpose I can see it serving is that a bug can be "confirmed by popular vote" and the status changed to new if a couple of people vote for it. That's why users shouldn't vote for their own bugs--the point is independent confirmation. So I'm all for removing the field, but if it's kept, I suggest at least changing the wording from "vote" to something like "confirm you can reproduce this bug."
This would be like the "this is a problem for me too" field in Launchpad, and may be useful.
- d.
Hello,
I got some replys at other places (bug tracker and private email). As I want to keep the discussion on the mailinglist I will place my arguments for voting here:
1. Not all bugs I report are important to me. I sometimes just fill in bugs when I find them but they don't mean much to me. 2. Not all bugs stay important to me. For example when I no longer play a game I might want to remove my vote from that game to show that less people are interested in getting the bug fixed. 3. Bugzilla allows you to vote for your own bugs. If it's not intended that you vote on your own bugs then it should not be possible.
I heard already the following argument against voting for your own bugs:
It produces addtional noice.
-> I don't understand this argument. Voting doesn't cause emails to be send as far as I know. Only when you are the _second_ one who vote for a bug then the bug gets auto confirmed.
And the following explanation why voting for my own bug has not been received well: "Hmm could it possibly be because you cannot in most systems of democracy propose a candidate and second them as well? "
-> I don't know a voting process where you can't vote for your own suggestion. At least here in germany you don't need to show for whom you have voted. So you can even vote for yourself if you are on the list and I assume most candidates do so.
Best regards, Florian
Hi Florian,
On 25-05-10 10:59, Florian Köberle wrote:
Hello,
I got some replys at other places (bug tracker and private email). As I want to keep the discussion on the mailinglist I will place my arguments for voting here:
- Not all bugs I report are important to me. I sometimes just fill in
bugs when I find them but they don't mean much to me.
Can set the 'importance' field lower then :)
- Not all bugs stay important to me. For example when I no longer play
a game I might want to remove my vote from that game to show that less people are interested in getting the bug fixed.
Well, I honestly say I never look at votes myself, the size of the CC list is how I see how important a bug is to people. :) If enough people care, they want to be mailed on updates as well, so they can help out in fixing the bug.
- Bugzilla allows you to vote for your own bugs. If it's not intended
that you vote on your own bugs then it should not be possible.
I'm for a patch to remove voting altogether.
Cheers, Maarten
On 05/25/2010 03:50 AM, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
I'm for a patch to remove voting altogether.
+1 Actually no patch needed. Voting can be disabled via option "usevotes".
Vitaliy.
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Vitaliy Margolen wine-devel@kievinfo.com wrote:
On 05/25/2010 03:50 AM, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
I'm for a patch to remove voting altogether.
+1 Actually no patch needed. Voting can be disabled via option "usevotes".
Let's disable it then, but that's no reason to close otherwise valid bugs as invalid.
Let's disable it then, but that's no reason to close otherwise valid bugs as invalid.
Hmm, I am currently abusing the vote-system to mark bugs I am especially interested in right now. Is there any better way to do this? Searching for CC is not quite the same (but will do if needed).
Regards,
Wolfram
On 05/25/2010 12:46 AM, Florian Köberle wrote:
Hello,
just someone informed me that I MUST NOT vote for my own bugs. Is there a reason for it?
Voting for your own bug confirms it (changes status to NEW). You can not confirm your own bugs. As simple as that.
And honestly for most developers it doesn't matter how many people voted for a bug. Wine as it is have pliantly of them to fix.
Vitaliy.
On 05/25/2010 03:55 PM, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
On 05/25/2010 12:46 AM, Florian Köberle wrote:
Hello,
just someone informed me that I MUST NOT vote for my own bugs. Is there a reason for it?
Voting for your own bug confirms it (changes status to NEW). You can not confirm your own bugs. As simple as that.
Hello Vitaliy,
two votes are required for a bug to be confirmed. In the case bug 22857 another user was just faster then me in voting for the bug. That's why it looked like I was confirming my own bug.
I agree with you that an author should not confirm his/her own bugs as it would make the state UNCONFIRMED superfluous.
Best regards, Florian
Voting for your own bug confirms it (changes status to NEW). You can not confirm your own bugs. As simple as that.
While I generally agree, the "status-changing" is an effect a number of bugzilla-users (especially new ones) are probably not aware of. Documentation helps here (on the voting-page, for example). Also, not counting votes from the bug-submitter could probably be patched into the software? There are some options, but invalidating valid bugs doesn't help wine imho.
Regards,
Wolfram
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