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$10,000 Open Challenge
SpecOpS Laboratories (SpecOpS Labs) invites the Philippine
ICT Community to participate in the DAVID Project. We are seeking a highly talented Consultant or Consulting Team that can contribute to the DAVID Project.
SpecOpS Labs is searching the Philippines for Systems-Level
Hacker/s to serve as Development Consultant to the DAVID Project. As proof or our sincerity, we are offering US$10,000.00* to the first Consultant or Consulting Team who can take our challenge and prove their capabilities. Our challenge requires the delivery of a solution that will allow an MS-XP compatible application to install and run under Linux using x.org and open source WINE by October 5, 2005.
So, take the challenge now!
Criteria to Award and Conditions:
1. System has no proprietary software imbedded / required.
2. System is stable.
3. MS-XP compatible modules / functions are working as expected.
4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Registration Procedure:
1. Send us an Email indicating your intent to take up the challenge at mailto:ablang@??? ablang@???. Attach your CV(s) or company profile (if applicable).
2. SpecOpS will Email you the Challenge Registration Form and further instructions.
Challenge Activities:
1. Present the running solution at SpecOpS Labs office before October 5, 2005.
2. Validation of solution using SpecOpS Labs's criteria.
3. Award immediately.
* All monies in this challenge are subject to tax. The decision of SpecOpS Labs for the award is final.
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Tom Wickline wrote:
- System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so, capable of replacing an OS that generates 1 billion US dollars a month in revenue, beating over a decade of open source wine development, and sells it to SpecOpS Laboratories for 10k, that's sure going to happen. I think anybody with the means to do that would make it open source, or sell it to the highest bidder.
Ivan.
- System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so, capable of replacing an OS that generates 1 billion US dollars a month in revenue, beating over a decade of open source wine development, and sells it to SpecOpS Laboratories for 10k, that's sure going to happen. I think anybody with the means to do that would make it open source, or sell it to the highest bidder.
I'm pretty sure with a correct price tag the wine team could get some more people involved and do it. I bet $10 billion would be a good price tag :)
Kuba
On 9/21/05, Ivan Leo Puoti ivanleo@gmail.com wrote:
Tom Wickline wrote:
- System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so, capable of replacing an OS that generates 1 billion US dollars a month in revenue, beating over a decade of open source wine development, and sells it to SpecOpS Laboratories for 10k, that's sure going to happen. I think anybody with the means to do that would make it open source, or sell it to the highest bidder.
I agree, I thought this was some kind of joke.. 10k? 10k isn't squat.. I use to blow more than 10k a year on beer and party. But Ive been sent a couple links that show that there is interest in there offerings.
http://www.turbolinux.com/cgi-bin/newsrelease/index.cgi?date2=20050821173249... http://www.specopslabs.com/content/ibm-loi.pdf
I just hope they turn out to be good members in the OSS community and give back to Wine as they have taken from it.
Tom
Ivan.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39:06PM +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti wrote:
Tom Wickline wrote:
- System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so,
You misread the mail...
It says "One Application" and "get it running using WINE".
I would consider myself nearly capable to do that myself.
Ciao, Marcus
On Thursday 22 September 2005 11:37, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39:06PM +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti wrote:
Tom Wickline wrote:
- System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so,
You misread the mail...
It says "One Application" and "get it running using WINE". I would consider myself nearly capable to do that myself.
I'd say we should all wait till we see what's in the challenge registration form, where they are actually supposed to reveal exactly what those $10k buys them.
One application doesn't mean much. It can be something huge. It can be something that needs something that wine nowhere near implements. And so on...
If they're willing to pay someone $10k then either it's not such a trivial job, or their VCs want some sort of demonstration and the SpecOpS people just don't have enough expertise.
Or it's all just blown out of proportion with $10k being way more than good compensation for the work involved, but someone clueless enough having $10k to toss around.
Maybe it's just worth for some wine hackers to register and see what comes out of it.
The mere fact that they don't mention what application would it be sounds suspicious to me.
Cheers, Kuba
I'd say we should all wait till we see what's in the challenge registration form, where they are actually supposed to reveal exactly what those $10k buys them.
One application doesn't mean much. It can be something huge. It can be something that needs something that wine nowhere near implements. And so on...
If they're willing to pay someone $10k then either it's not such a trivial job, or their VCs want some sort of demonstration and the SpecOpS people just don't have enough expertise.
Or it's all just blown out of proportion with $10k being way more than good compensation for the work involved, but someone clueless enough having $10k to toss around.
Maybe it's just worth for some wine hackers to register and see what comes out of it.
Perhaps its some sort of hiring test. Well, we will see.
Ciao, Marcus
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39:06PM +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti wrote:
Tom Wickline wrote:
- System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so,
You misread the mail...
It says "One Application" and "get it running using WINE".
I would consider myself nearly capable to do that myself.
Ciao, Marcus
Well, that depends very much on the application, still I think those guys are smoking crack.
Ivan.
Subject: $10,000 Open Challenge SpecOpS Laboratories
Here's my take from a technical point of view.
I'd say that the only serious leap they might be able to make is to get some of the winserver into the Linux kernel and/or to use the freedce. There isn't really much more big stuff besides that to do in wine, architecturally I mean. Forgetting about the vxds for the moment, that is :)
Otherwise, whatever they might claim as 'innovative' is really just the grunt work of implementing missing functionality in wine. And that can easily be done in an isolationist fashion, i.e. if they want to develop or reimplement some dlls, they just drop ones in wine (if any) and substitute with their own. They can also link wine dlls with some of their proprietary dlls that implement extra functionality, as long as they stay within LGPL.
The only thing is that so far their PR campaign is all full of spin and hype, which might be just their cultural thing, or it might indicate that we're still talking vapourware.
What's nice though is that I'm pretty sure that whatever they come up with will be reverse-engineered, analyzed and reimplemented back in wine, slowly but surely making their 'innovative product' redundant. Executive summary: down the drain the VC money goes.
Cheers, Kuba
The most frightening thing is that, apparently, someone clueless enough at IBM Phillipines, Inc. got 'involved' with it: http://www.specopslabs.com/content/ibm-loi.pdf
If I were IBM, I'd start doing some serious PR mopping up/fallout prevention.
This is quadruple-sad.
Cheers, Kuba
Tom Wickline wrote:
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This can be because TurboLinux announced today that they will distribute the DAVID technology from SpecOpS: http://www.turbolinux.com/cgi-bin/newsrelease/index.cgi?date2=20050821173249...
bye michael
$10,000 Open Challenge
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Author: El Cid Ablang Date: To: linuxjobs Subject: $10,000 Open Challenge SpecOpS Laboratories
$10,000 Open Challenge
SpecOpS Laboratories (SpecOpS Labs) invites the PhilippineICT Community to participate in the DAVID Project. We are seeking a highly talented Consultant or Consulting Team that can contribute to the DAVID Project.
SpecOpS Labs is searching the Philippines for Systems-LevelHacker/s to serve as Development Consultant to the DAVID Project. As proof or our sincerity, we are offering US$10,000.00* to the first Consultant or Consulting Team who can take our challenge and prove their capabilities. Our challenge requires the delivery of a solution that will allow an MS-XP compatible application to install and run under Linux using x.org and open source WINE by October 5, 2005.
So, take the challenge now!Criteria to Award and Conditions:
System has no proprietary software imbedded / required.
System is stable.
MS-XP compatible modules / functions are working as expected.
System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
Registration Procedure:
- Send us an Email indicating your intent to take up the challenge
at mailto:ablang@??? ablang@???. Attach your CV(s) or company profile (if applicable).
- SpecOpS will Email you the Challenge Registration Form and
further instructions.
Challenge Activities:
- Present the running solution at SpecOpS Labs office before
October 5, 2005.
Validation of solution using SpecOpS Labs's criteria.
Award immediately.
- All monies in this challenge are subject to tax. The decision of
SpecOpS Labs for the award is final.
Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
Tom Wickline wrote:
Fom : http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050921.093916.4717740b.en.html
This can be because TurboLinux announced today that they will distribute the DAVID technology from SpecOpS: http://www.turbolinux.com/cgi-bin/newsrelease/index.cgi?date2=20050821173249...
bye michael
I'd understand it more if I knew WHAT the David technology actually was!
Did they release ANYTHING?
Regarding the challenge, it seems that they will give you the application they want working if you contact them.
Oh, and about David. Their web site claims to use a hybrid approach to the matter. They integrate emulation and Wine (and wine style) reimplementation. I have no idea how such a thing is supposed to help them along. Also, it will be interesting to see whether this turns out to be any different than what Win4Lin are doing.
As a side track, Win4Lin contacted me a while back, and wanted Lingnu to represent them in Israel. I sent back a few technical questions, and NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN! Does the company still exist?
Shachar
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 10:54:28PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
As a side track, Win4Lin contacted me a while back, and wanted Lingnu to represent them in Israel. I sent back a few technical questions, and NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN! Does the company still exist?
Last I know they still exist and plan to sell a packaged version of QEMU as their Windows emulator.
Lionel
As a side track, Win4Lin contacted me a while back, and wanted Lingnu to represent them in Israel. I sent back a few technical questions, and NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN! Does the company still exist?
Yes, but they keep spitting into the face of their loyal userbase, so I don't wish them too well anymore :(
Cheers, Kuba
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