On 5/24/07, Brian Vincent brian.vincent@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't even looked at that stuff at all, but does Wine have any fonts worth contributing to that cause? (Marlett?)
Red Hat's Liberation font is a single-source thing done by a pro, so probably not.
Is it worth creating a link within winecfg to download and install these somehow? Good fonts can really help the user experience with Wine.
No, it would be better to have Wine install the fonts by default once they are proven useful, I think. I added them to winetricks so people could experiment with them (slightly) more easily. - Dan
On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 08:28 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
On 5/24/07, Brian Vincent brian.vincent@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't even looked at that stuff at all, but does Wine have any fonts worth contributing to that cause? (Marlett?)
Red Hat's Liberation font is a single-source thing done by a pro, so probably not.
Is it worth creating a link within winecfg to download and install these somehow? Good fonts can really help the user experience with Wine.
No, it would be better to have Wine install the fonts by default once they are proven useful, I think. I added them to winetricks so people could experiment with them (slightly) more easily.
- Dan
I'm pretty sure the proper place for these fonts is as a separate distro package - perhaps one that Wine can depend on.
If the liberation fonts aren't yet being packed up in Ubuntu, I'll see about adding a new package for them.
Thanks, Scott Ritchie
I added them to winetricks so people could experiment with
them (slightly) more easily.
- Dan
I'm pretty sure the proper place for these fonts is as a separate distro package - perhaps one that Wine can depend on.
If the liberation fonts aren't yet being packed up in Ubuntu, I'll see about adding a new package for them.
Scott, That wasn't what i was thinking when i suggested it to Dan. If users tests the fonts with wine, which they can now do using winetricks, i was hoping that the font names could be remapped/hacked so that the names of the mscorefonts map to the redhat fonts. If that is successful, the fonts could be included in wine and we wouldn't need mscorefonts anymore. - mark
On Friday 25 May 2007, mark cox wrote:
Scott, That wasn't what i was thinking when i suggested it to Dan. If users tests the fonts with wine, which they can now do using winetricks, i was hoping that the font names could be remapped/hacked so that the names of the mscorefonts map to the redhat fonts. If that is successful, the fonts could be included in wine and we wouldn't need mscorefonts anymore.
Yes, we should be able to eliminate a number of font related bugs by shipping with these fonts. Apps like Picasa [1] appear to ask for a specific font name, others even reference the font file directly.
There's another bug where if an app installs the first truetype font in Wine all subsequent text is shown with that font [2].
These bugs can be worked around by installing corefonts.
I have attached a script that changes the filenames of the Liberation fonts as well as the font names inside the files to match native. It requires fontforge to be installed and assumes you have already loaded the Liberation fonts, with winetricks for example:
$ wget www.kegel.com/wine/winetricks $ sh winetricks liberation $ sh convert_fonts
-Hans
[1] http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4346 [2] http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8338
On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 19:20 +0200, Hans Leidekker wrote:
On Friday 25 May 2007, mark cox wrote:
Scott, That wasn't what i was thinking when i suggested it to Dan. If users tests the fonts with wine, which they can now do using winetricks, i was hoping that the font names could be remapped/hacked so that the names of the mscorefonts map to the redhat fonts. If that is successful, the fonts could be included in wine and we wouldn't need mscorefonts anymore.
Yes, we should be able to eliminate a number of font related bugs by shipping with these fonts. Apps like Picasa [1] appear to ask for a specific font name, others even reference the font file directly.
There's another bug where if an app installs the first truetype font in Wine all subsequent text is shown with that font [2].
All right, clearly we need to handle this somehow. I'm just thinking that there needs to be a way to install these fonts WITHOUT Wine such that they're available to non-Wine programs, and that when a user has done that Wine should then reference those fonts rather than duplicate them.
Something like a (free) Wine-fonts package, which would be a dependency of Wine. I didn't mean adding them to the mscorefonts type packages (which currently isn't a dependency of Wine)
These bugs can be worked around by installing corefonts.
I have attached a script that changes the filenames of the Liberation fonts as well as the font names inside the files to match native. It requires fontforge to be installed and assumes you have already loaded the Liberation fonts, with winetricks for example:
$ wget www.kegel.com/wine/winetricks $ sh winetricks liberation $ sh convert_fonts
-Hans
[1] http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4346 [2] http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8338
Won't this potentially result in duplicate fonts on a system, though?
Thanks, Scott Ritchie
On Friday 25 May 2007 19:30:14 Scott Ritchie wrote:
All right, clearly we need to handle this somehow. I'm just thinking that there needs to be a way to install these fonts WITHOUT Wine such that they're available to non-Wine programs, and that when a user has done that Wine should then reference those fonts rather than duplicate them.
Yes, distros should make these fonts available to all applications. I have no doubt they will because the license is right and they make some web pages and Word documents look better.
I was looking beyond that actually, because the license permits us to improve Wine's compatibility even more. By generating modified versions we can make applications work that assume the presence of these fonts and their files.
So yes, there is duplication involved, but it is balanced by being more compatible.
-Hans
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