re: Doing better than barely keeping up with bug reports - Bug Day this Monday (July 20)
DELETED BugDay 12:33 Informations DmitryTimoshkov #01 Not useful, eveone works on bugs or features at its own preference, at its own time
Dmitry's being overly negative, I think, and it's just plain rude to delete wiki pages like that. Let's put it back.
That said, it might be wise to post proposals for events and let them percolate for a couple days before announcing them. (In this case, seeing a few enthusiastic replies might have made Dmitry think twice before doing what he did.) - Dan
2009/7/17 Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com:
DELETED BugDay 12:33 Informations DmitryTimoshkov #01 Not useful, eveone works on bugs or features at its own preference, at its own time
Dmitry's being overly negative, I think, and it's just plain rude to delete wiki pages like that. Let's put it back.
That said, it might be wise to post proposals for events and let them percolate for a couple days before announcing them. (In this case, seeing a few enthusiastic replies might have made Dmitry think twice before doing what he did.)
- Dan
Done.
Luke.
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:57:21 +0000 Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
DELETED BugDay 12:33 Informations DmitryTimoshkov #01 Not useful, eveone works on bugs or features at its own preference, at its own time
Dmitry's being overly negative, I think, and it's just plain rude to delete wiki pages like that. Let's put it back.
That said, it might be wise to post proposals for events and let them percolate for a couple days before announcing them. (In this case, seeing a few enthusiastic replies might have made Dmitry think twice before doing what he did.)
- Dan
I suppose I qualify as one of those "non developer volunteers" being targeted for this, and my reaction is the same as Dmitry's. I've been doing exactly what the instructions on the wiki page ask for, off and on at my own convenience, for about a year, so for me this is at best a non-event. That said, if other people want to do it, I certainly have no objections.
The one suggestion I would make after reading the wiki page is that I really don't think it's a good idea to invite ordinary users to ask for bugzilla permissions after triaging just a couple of bugs.
2009/7/17 Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:57:21 +0000 Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
DELETED BugDay 12:33 Informations DmitryTimoshkov #01 Not useful, eveone works on bugs or features at its own preference, at its own time
Dmitry's being overly negative, I think, and it's just plain rude to delete wiki pages like that. Let's put it back.
That said, it might be wise to post proposals for events and let them percolate for a couple days before announcing them. (In this case, seeing a few enthusiastic replies might have made Dmitry think twice before doing what he did.)
- Dan
I suppose I qualify as one of those "non developer volunteers" being targeted for this, and my reaction is the same as Dmitry's. I've been doing exactly what the instructions on the wiki page ask for, off and on at my own convenience, for about a year, so for me this is at best a non-event. That said, if other people want to do it, I certainly have no objections.
The whole "Hug Day" thing works pretty well for Ubuntu, and getting people to do this kind of spring clean together gives a kind of burst of energy. Like I said, I've already grabbed 2 people who use Wine but have never reported bugs before and I think I've just got a 3rd (my girlfriend :) ). They all seem keen to help out as a one off. Even if they each just check to see if a single bug is still around on current Wine at least it's something. I think it's a good idea.
The one suggestion I would make after reading the wiki page is that I really don't think it's a good idea to invite ordinary users to ask for bugzilla permissions after triaging just a couple of bugs.
-- Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net
I don't think that Scott meant how it reads... I think he probably means "if you start to do this regularly, feel free to ask for bugzilla permissions."
Luke.
Luke Benstead wrote:
2009/7/17 Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net:
The one suggestion I would make after reading the wiki page is that I really don't think it's a good idea to invite ordinary users to ask for bugzilla permissions after triaging just a couple of bugs.
I don't think that Scott meant how it reads... I think he probably means "if you start to do this regularly, feel free to ask for bugzilla permissions."
It's a wiki, fix it for me ;)
I'll blog about this and post a few forum threads as well. I wanted to see how wine-devel would act last night before I went to sleep - suffice to say it's already interesting!
Thanks, Scott Ritchie
"Scott Ritchie" scott@open-vote.org wrote:
I'll blog about this and post a few forum threads as well. I wanted to see how wine-devel would act last night before I went to sleep - suffice to say it's already interesting!
I think it's a matter of the fact that only Wine developers can fix Wine bugs. Another fact is that real Wine developers already are working on Wine bugs, and have their own bug lists to work on, and their own working time schedule and priorities. That said, assigning an arbitrary day for bug hunting by a user who can't really help in fixing Wine bugs looks really not helpful at all to me, especially without a prior discussion of that on wine-devel list.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Dmitry Timoshkovdmitry@codeweavers.com wrote:
"Scott Ritchie" scott@open-vote.org wrote:
I'll blog about this and post a few forum threads as well. I wanted to see how wine-devel would act last night before I went to sleep - suffice to say it's already interesting!
I think it's a matter of the fact that only Wine developers can fix Wine bugs. Another fact is that real Wine developers already are working on Wine bugs, and have their own bug lists to work on, and their own working time schedule and priorities. That said, assigning an arbitrary day for bug hunting by a user who can't really help in fixing Wine bugs looks really not helpful at all to me, especially without a prior discussion of that on wine-devel list.
I don't think Scott's intending for random users to fix wine bugs, but rather to verify that bugs still exist, check if download links are current, etc.
Besides, if it recruits new developers, that wouldn't hurt :-).
Austin English wrote:
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Dmitry Timoshkovdmitry@codeweavers.com wrote:
"Scott Ritchie" scott@open-vote.org wrote:
I'll blog about this and post a few forum threads as well. I wanted to see how wine-devel would act last night before I went to sleep - suffice to say it's already interesting!
I think it's a matter of the fact that only Wine developers can fix Wine bugs. Another fact is that real Wine developers already are working on Wine bugs, and have their own bug lists to work on, and their own working time schedule and priorities. That said, assigning an arbitrary day for bug hunting by a user who can't really help in fixing Wine bugs looks really not helpful at all to me, especially without a prior discussion of that on wine-devel list.
I don't think Scott's intending for random users to fix wine bugs, but rather to verify that bugs still exist, check if download links are current, etc.
Besides, if it recruits new developers, that wouldn't hurt :-).
Precisely Austin.
I'm sorry if it wasn't clear in my original email, but the intent isn't to distract Wine developers from doing their work. It's to save them time by triaging bugs for them.
The entire point of Bugzilla is to help developers find what to work on, so if you've already got something to do go right ahead. There's no reason someone who can be implementing functions should be downloading and retesting applications from six month old bug reports - that's what the community is for!
Thanks, Scott Ritchie
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Rosanne DiMesiodimesio@earthlink.net wrote:
I suppose I qualify as one of those "non developer volunteers" being targeted for this, and my reaction is the same as Dmitry's. I've been doing exactly what the instructions on the wiki page ask for, off and on at my own convenience, for about a year, so for me this is at best a non-event. That said, if other people want to do it, I certainly have no objections.
The one suggestion I would make after reading the wiki page is that I really don't think it's a good idea to invite ordinary users to ask for bugzilla permissions after triaging just a couple of bugs.
+1
That's how I got started working with wine, by triaging old bug reports. Great way to get started learning about the different areas of wine, even without touching the code.
It would be helpful to post this to wine-users as well. There's a sticky on the forums that roughly describes this (albeit, not as a singular day's events, but more for testing old bugs that have been around for over 3 months without any activity).
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