Re: Italian translation of Wine

[Matteo Bruni]

2014-10-16 11:19 GMT+02:00 Davide Pizzetti :
> This is an updated patch for the Italian translation of Wine.

Hi Davide,

Please bear with me, but:

@@ -30,7 +34,6 @@ msgid "&Install..."
 msgstr "&Installa..."

#: appwiz.rc:65
-#, fuzzy
 #| msgid ""
 #| "The following software can be automatically removed. To remove a program "
 #| "or to modify its installed components, select it from the list and click "

I still think you should remove those "#| msgid" lines when removing
the fuzzy tags. If the program you're using to update the .po file
doesn't help you with that, you might have to do it by hand by opening
the .po file in a plain text editor.

@@ -1682,11 +1682,11 @@ msgstr "Autenticazione del client"

#: crypt32.rc:140
 msgid "Code Signing"
-msgstr "Firma codice"
+msgstr "Firma del codice"

#: crypt32.rc:141
 msgid "Secure Email"
-msgstr "Email sicura"
+msgstr "E-mail sicura"

#: crypt32.rc:142
 msgid "Time Stamping"

I don't like those changes, they seem mostly gratuitous to me (there
are others similar instances below). If you're changing the "email"
translation, make sure to be consistent.
In general I'd avoid adding more stuff to this patch on each
iteration, first get this patch in and then you can work on another
one with more string translations.

@@ -1834,7 +1834,7 @@ msgstr "Altro nome="

#: crypt32.rc:186
 msgid "Email Address="
-msgstr "Indirizzo Email="
+msgstr "Indirizzo mail="

This looks wrong.

@@ -2861,7 +2855,7 @@ msgstr ""

#: cryptui.rc:127
 msgid "Protects e-mail messages"
-msgstr "Protegge messaggi e-mail"
+msgstr "Protegge i messaggi mail"

Same.

@@ -4800,7 +4785,7 @@ msgstr "Nessuno spegnimento in corso.\n"

#: winerror.mc:1381
 msgid "I/O device error.\n"
-msgstr "Errore I/O dell'unità.\n"
+msgstr "Errore I/O del dispositiov.\n"

#: winerror.mc:1386

This is still wrong.

#: netstat.rc:48
 msgid "Reset Connections"
-msgstr "Connessione LAN"
+msgstr "Resetta le connessioni"

This means "Connessioni resettate". You can use "chiuse" instead, or
probably even "annullate" as you wrote in another message translation.

@@ -13103,7 +13080,7 @@ msgstr "Wine"
 #: wineboot.rc:46
 msgid "The Wine configuration in %s is being updated, please wait..."
 msgstr ""
-"La configurazione di Wine in %s è in aggiornamento, aspetta un momento..."
+"La configurazione di Wine in %s sta venendo aggiornata, aspetta un momento..."

I prefer the previous translation.

Italian translation of Wine

[Julian Rüger]

Hi Davide!

Matteo Bruni wrote:
> #: appwiz.rc:65
> -#, fuzzy
>  #| msgid ""
>  #| "The following software can be automatically removed. To remove a program "
>  #| "or to modify its installed components, select it from the list and click "
>
> I still think you should remove those "#| msgid" lines when removing
> the fuzzy tags. If the program you're using to update the .po file
> doesn't help you with that, you might have to do it by hand by opening
> the .po file in a plain text editor.

Yes, you need to remove those. I think other translation patches were
rejected in the past for leaving the old msgid.
> -"Language-Team: none\n"
> +"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-10-16 11:03+0200\n"
> +"Last-Translator: Davide Pizzetti \n"
> +"Language-Team: Italiano <>\n"

Since we don't really have language teams, please leave that line like
it was.
> "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
> +"Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);\n"
> +"X-Generator: Gtranslator 2.91.6\n"

If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me, but I think you should
not add lines like these.
None of the other po-files (that I checked ;) ) contain that.

Thanks for your contribution!

Best,
Julian

Italian translation of Wine

[Michael Stefaniuc]

Julian,

On 10/17/2014 02:28 AM, Julian Rüger wrote:
> > "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
> > +"Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);\n"

the Plural-Forms is used by other po files.  It is needed for some
languages as those have more than one plural form.  So the translation
tools will add that field. Having it in Wine too avoids the "add remove"
noise in the commits even though the plural forms get probably lost in
the conversion to resource files.
> If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me, but I think you should
> not add lines like these.
> None of the other po-files (that I checked ;) ) contain that.

bye
    michael

Italian translation of Wine

[Julian Rüger]

Hi Michael,

On Fri, 2014-10-17 at 11:43 +0200, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
> Julian,
>
> On 10/17/2014 02:28 AM, Julian Rüger wrote:
> > > "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
> > > +"Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);\n"
>
> the Plural-Forms is used by other po files.  It is needed for some
> languages as those have more than one plural form.  So the translation
> tools will add that field. Having it in Wine too avoids the "add remove"
> noise in the commits even though the plural forms get probably lost in
> the conversion to resource files.

thanks for your answer. Indeed, grep shows that some po files do contain
"Plural-Forms". However, I don't understand what good that information
does (Wine can't use it, can it? Do the tools use it to automatically
translate some strings?) and why there would be noise in the commits if
it is never added to Wine's codebase in the first place.

If you can't get the translation tools to not add these lines you could
remove them from the patches manually.

If you think having that information is useful, forget I said
anything! :)

Cheers,
Julian

Italian translation of Wine

[Michael Stefaniuc]

On 10/17/2014 04:12 PM, Julian Rüger wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> On Fri, 2014-10-17 at 11:43 +0200, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
> > Julian,
> >
> > On 10/17/2014 02:28 AM, Julian Rüger wrote:
> > > > "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" +"Plural-Forms:
> > > > nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);\n"
> >
> > the Plural-Forms is used by other po files.  It is needed for
> > some languages as those have more than one plural form.  So the
> > translation tools will add that field. Having it in Wine too
> > avoids the "add remove" noise in the commits even though the
> > plural forms get probably lost in the conversion to resource
> > files.
>
> thanks for your answer. Indeed, grep shows that some po files do
> contain "Plural-Forms". However, I don't understand what good that
> information does (Wine can't use it, can it? Do the tools use it to
> automatically translate some strings?) and why there would be noise
> in the commits if it is never added to Wine's codebase in the first
> place.

That's extra work. Something that the translators won't think off. And
not good enough to reject an otherwise fine translation patch.
> If you can't get the translation tools to not add these lines you
> could

Translators normally translate for multiple projects and that
information they need there.
> remove them from the patches manually.

Extra work, easily forgotten. And the one PO header line isn't doing
any harm either.
> If you think having that information is useful, forget I said 
> anything! :)

bye
    michael