the goal is to implement the win32 APIs on top of unix. this does neither exclude the gamers nor the "appers".
No that wasn't my idea. But remember the mission: Bring the people to Linux! It's just a matter of priorization. What brings more people to linux? You have right: The business apps. So what's more important?
so why not support that efford by donating some of your time or money (e.g. your employers) to fix the problems? recently there where the auditions for the summer of code - why not advocate then to make things better? why not try crossover's wine?
Sorry, I can just program Java but no C nor C++. And my salery is just enough to life. But as soon crossover supports my core required business apps I will surely buy one and will strongly recommend my circly of friends to do the same. Its also my opinion to support crossover for their work. But does it makes sense to buy a software which would currently be usesless for me?
you have many options - but instead you have chosen to whine to a list of developers that spend their free time to improve the things they have problems with; what do you think this will help?
My most other freetime goes also into opensource projects or projects which promotes opensource (such as the yearly linux installation parties). It wasn't my intent to "whine" on the list but sometimes it required to give the people a soft kick in ass.
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ---- Von: Christoph Frick frick@sc-networks.de An: Roland Kaeser roli8200@yahoo.de CC: wine-devel@winehq.org Gesendet: Dienstag, den 11. Juli 2006, 13:11:29 Uhr Betreff: Re: 0.9.17 and other issues
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:02:31AM +0000, Roland Kaeser wrote:
I know thats cool developing gaming features but THAT CANNOT BE THE GOAL!!!!!
the goal is to implement the win32 APIs on top of unix. this does neither exclude the gamers nor the "appers".
In the offices I support as admin/sys engineer, we are all waiting for wine becomes stable enough to get the business apps running to switch to linux completely.
so why not support that efford by donating some of your time or money (e.g. your employers) to fix the problems? recently there where the auditions for the summer of code - why not advocate then to make things better? why not try crossover's wine?
you have many options - but instead you have chosen to whine to a list of developers that spend their free time to improve the things they have problems with; what do you think this will help?
But on every release I read some things about DirectX, Gaming Support etc. Whould it not be better just to fix the existing bugs before developping new ones? All the people I know WANT TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS APPS ON LINUX. Nobody wants run games.
you state yourself, that lots of features (that are announce-worthy) are for games and you think no one cares for games? do you think they are done for the pure fun of it? have you actually checked the ChangeLog of the current release? do you think all this changes in ole, msxml, &c. dlls are done for the pure fun of it? if so - why not join the fun?
-- cu
On Tuesday 11 July 2006 08:50, Roland Kaeser wrote:
the goal is to implement the win32 APIs on top of unix. this does neither exclude the gamers nor the "appers".
No that wasn't my idea. But remember the mission: Bring the people to Linux! It's just a matter of priorization. What brings more people to linux? You have right: The business apps.
I know quite a bunch of guys who were brought to Linux by one of the following: software development tools, scientific software, multimedia tools, and Cedega. In fact I know of more people who were brought to Linux by NON-business apps. So what does that prove? Just that we know different types of people and that you should keep your eyes open for other possibilities.
So what's more important?
I'd say it's most important that you understand that business apps are not the end-all be-all, because you seem quite fixated on those.
so why not support that efford by donating some of your time or money (e.g. your employers) to fix the problems? recently there where the auditions for the summer of code - why not advocate then to make things better? why not try crossover's wine?
Sorry, I can just program Java but no C nor C++. And my salery is just enough to life.
Use your imagination. Entice other people to do the work. Every little bit helps. Do testing. Do documentation. There's so much besides coding that can be done.
But as soon crossover supports my core required business apps I will surely buy one and will strongly recommend my circly of friends to do the same.
If everyone would think that way, noone would ever buy it.
But does it makes sense to buy a software which would currently be usesless for me?
No. You don't have to buy it. There are other ways to help.
My most other freetime goes also into opensource projects or projects which promotes opensource (such as the yearly linux installation parties). It wasn't my intent to "whine" on the list but sometimes it required to give the people a soft kick in ass.
You deserve one yourself. And a hard one at that.
Cheers, Kuba
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 12:50:40PM +0000, Roland Kaeser wrote:
the goal is to implement the win32 APIs on top of unix. this does neither exclude the gamers nor the "appers".
But remember the mission: Bring the people to Linux! It's just a matter of priorization. What brings more people to linux? You have right: The business apps. So what's more important?
i have never joined that mission. people are free to do/use whatever they want.
also i have my _strongest_ doubts about the apps-vs-games theory, but - like you? - i have no numbers to prove it; so i just shut up.