Marcel wrote:
i don't even see the point of a 1.0 release at this point in time. This project has been a work in progress since 15 years. Why the heck has it been decided to do a 'gold' release *now* anyways?
To get lots more people to try it and report bugs, so it can improve faster.
And to get the word out about its rapid progress in the last two years. Most people still think Wine can't wipe its nose.
Now, for some users, Wine still can't wipe its nose -- it all depends on the app you try. But it seems that "linux wine sucks" pulls only about half as many hits as "linux wine amazing" in a web search, so we must be doing something right lately. - Dan
Dan Kegel wrote:
Marcel wrote:
i don't even see the point of a 1.0 release at this point in time. This project has been a work in progress since 15 years. Why the heck has it been decided to do a 'gold' release *now* anyways?
To get lots more people to try it and report bugs, so it can improve faster.
And to move the project forward. The more it is used, the more problems that can be discovered and, hopefully, corrected.
And to get the word out about its rapid progress in the last two years. Most people still think Wine can't wipe its nose.
I agree. I've seen a great deal of progress in the last few months that I have been here.
Now, for some users, Wine still can't wipe its nose -- it all depends on the app you try. But it seems that "linux wine sucks" pulls only about half as many hits as "linux wine amazing" in a web search, so we must be doing something right lately.
This is true. However, this may reverse as people attempt to use Wine.
James
Dan Kegel wrote:
Marcel wrote:
i don't even see the point of a 1.0 release at this point in time. This project has been a work in progress since 15 years. Why the heck has it been decided to do a 'gold' release *now* anyways?
To get lots more people to try it and report bugs, so it can improve faster.
This is questionable. I can point to several bug reports that have several dozen people reporting problems and that are still open for years. So just saying more bug reports results into better Wine is not true.
What it will do is put huge strain on people looking at bugzilla. And poor bug analysis. Just look at how many d3d related bugs and how much analysis in each. I'd say about 60% of all of those reports are duplicate, caused by system misconfiguration, conflicts with other software (compiz anyone?) or just plain invalid.
Not to take anything away from all the hard work d3d developers did and continue doing.
And to get the word out about its rapid progress in the last two years. Most people still think Wine can't wipe its nose.
Now, for some users, Wine still can't wipe its nose -- it all depends on the app you try. But it seems that "linux wine sucks" pulls only about half as many hits as "linux wine amazing" in a web search, so we must be doing something right lately.
For most people yeah it will be a surprise. Until they hit first major problem. Which will put them back into windows land. You see there are much more people out there that use PCs as ... tools. Those tools either work or they don't. Wine just does not cut it. It's a toy not a tool.
Even targeted apps don't work perfectly - have some problems here and there. People won't stand that. They already feed up with windows...
The only loyal public Wine can have is gamers. And we still ignoring this fact.
Oh and the whole point of wine-1.0 - and the way it's being presented seems like a joke to me. Give me a break 4 apps?! 3 of which being direct competitors to native Linux applications! And such an old versions [97] that no one even uses them anymore.
If anything we should be emphasizing that the code freeze is to stabilize Wine and fix bugs. ALL bugs regardless of the app.
Vitaliy
"Vitaliy Margolen" wine-devel@kievinfo.com wrote:
For most people yeah it will be a surprise. Until they hit first major problem. Which will put them back into windows land. You see there are much more people out there that use PCs as ... tools. Those tools either work or they don't. Wine just does not cut it. It's a toy not a tool.
Probably I'll tell you an esoteric thing, but believe it that thousands of people are running Winword, Excel, Outlook, Visio, Quicken, Project, and many other applications every doing their daily job.
Dmitry Timoshkov wrote:
"Vitaliy Margolen" wine-devel@kievinfo.com wrote:
For most people yeah it will be a surprise. Until they hit first major problem. Which will put them back into windows land. You see there are much more people out there that use PCs as ... tools. Those tools either work or they don't. Wine just does not cut it. It's a toy not a tool.
Probably I'll tell you an esoteric thing, but believe it that thousands of people are running Winword, Excel, Outlook, Visio, Quicken, Project, and many other applications every doing their daily job.
Oh yes they do, on windows that is. How can they be running them on Wine of all the apps listed don't work?
Word - gold http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=10 Excel - no data http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=11 Outlook - garbage http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=34 Visio - garbage http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=119 Quicken - garbage/bronze http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=107 Project - garbage http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=446 Money - garbage http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=79
Where are you seeing people running them? Oh sorry Word sorta works. Or you talking about something else not Wine? We are talking about vanilla Wine here not Crossover Office no matter how wonderful it is.
Vitaliy.
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