Re: Fall back to ttydrv

[Dimitrie O. Paun]

On April 14, 2003 06:11 pm, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> -
>   MESSAGE( "Falling back to ttydrv\n");

Again, I'd say this message is not appropriate, especially now
that the user has to enable this configurations. For people
using command line tools under Wine will be just pure spam.

Fall back to ttydrv

[Uwe Bonnes]

> > > > > "Dimitrie" == Dimitrie O Paun  writes:

Dimitrie> On April 14, 2003 06:11 pm, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
    >> + MESSAGE( "Falling back to ttydrv\n");

Dimitrie> Again, I'd say this message is not appropriate, especially now
    Dimitrie> that the user has to enable this configurations. For people
    Dimitrie> using command line tools under Wine will be just pure spam.

Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?

Fall back to ttydrv

[Andreas Mohr]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 11:25:44AM +0200, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> > > > > > "Dimitrie" == Dimitrie O Paun  writes:
> Dimitrie> On April 14, 2003 06:11 pm, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> >> + MESSAGE( "Falling back to ttydrv\n");
>
> Dimitrie> Again, I'd say this message is not appropriate, especially now
> Dimitrie> that the user has to enable this configurations. For people
> Dimitrie> using command line tools under Wine will be just pure spam.
>
> Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?

He probably wants it to disappear.
I think we need that, however, since it is non-intuitive behaviour to
completely silently fall back to ttydrv-only output when DISPLAY is not set.
(just think of how many people were completely puzzled due to wineinstall
failing and leaving GraphicsDriver set to ttydrv in the config file
at some time!)
Anyway, in its current form the message is probably not very useful,
since it doesn't explain what really happened.
Note also that by providing the fallback, you are silencing the usual
Error: Can't open display: 
message (which incidentally is not very useful either ;)
which people could search for on the Internet to find the reason why
Wine doesn't work at all.
Instead, we'd silently fall back to text (not giving any message to assist
people), thus worsening the situation: from a non-working wine and a
badly understandable but at least searchable error to an almost non-working
wine (ttydrv) and no error at all to get a clue from.

Thus I'd have a message and change it to something like
Warning: environment variable DISPLAY [which is ]needed for X11 graphics output
not set, thus falling back to [ttydrv] text-only output
[, no graphics displayed].

Parts in [] are optional but maybe useful.

Or maybe a much better form would be
Warning: environment variable DISPLAY not set: no X11 graphics output possible,
[I ]need to fall back to text-only output [via ttydrv].

Fall back to ttydrv

[Sylvain Petreolle]

And we must have an option in .wine/config to disable this permanently
for users that dont use X11.
> Thus I'd have a message and change it to something like
> Warning: environment variable DISPLAY [which is ]needed for X11
> graphics output
> not set, thus falling back to [ttydrv] text-only output
> [, no graphics displayed].
>
> Parts in [] are optional but maybe useful.
>
> Or maybe a much better form would be
> Warning: environment variable DISPLAY not set: no X11 graphics output
> possible,
> [I ]need to fall back to text-only output [via ttydrv].

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Fall back to ttydrv

[Andreas Mohr]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 12:56:40PM +0200, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> And we must have an option in .wine/config to disable this permanently
> for users that dont use X11.

For users that don't use X11, the wine config file would contain ttydrv
by default, so the fallback message wouldn't get printed.
Let's just assume people who use Wine for text-only output know what they're
doing... ;)

Andreas Mohr

Fall back to ttydrv

[Dimitrie O. Paun]

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?

If the user configured Wine like so, why output a message at all?

Fall back to ttydrv

[Andreas Mohr]

Hi,

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 08:27:07AM -0400, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> > Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?
>
> If the user configured Wine like so, why output a message at all?

That's true. In fact I'm afraid that I wasn't aware of the config key.
If you have to explicitly configure this behaviour, then omitting a message
is not such a terrible idea...
Sorry ;-)