http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23797416-24169,00.html The new president of Red Hat, when asked about desktop linux, said: "My simple answer is until Apple's iTunes runs on consumer Linux desktops, it's not going to take off. I know you can run Wine, which runs Windows applications on Linux, so techies will beat me up on that, but fundamentally there are some major device driver issues with products that people like to use and this limits adoption. It's going to be slow until these issues are solved."
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39429910,00.htm http://economyaustria.at/Text/?id=3363378 Vienna migrates some Linux workstations to Vista because a single app, Schlaumäuse, crashes under Wine. Looks like they send the software out upon request to teachers; see http://www.schlaumaeuse.de/ (Can somebody send me a copy?)
On Friday 06 June 2008 15:11:34 Dan Kegel wrote:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39429910,00.htm http://economyaustria.at/Text/?id=3363378 Vienna migrates some Linux workstations to Vista because a single app, Schlaumäuse, crashes under Wine. Looks like they send the software out upon request to teachers; see http://www.schlaumaeuse.de/ (Can somebody send me a copy?)
To quote from the zdnet report:
[quote] The software maker behind the Schlaumäuse software is planning a Firefox version for 2009, according to Ringler, who pointed out in the report that the city could have subsidised a Firefox version of the software for a fraction of the cost of the Windows Vista migration. [/quote]
Given that they didn't even bother to file a bug report or add an appdb entry, that sounds pretty fishy. I know that there's been a couple of bug reports and requested changes to Samba when Munich migrated to Windows. I don't see why any real user of Wine wouldn't at least file a bug report.
Overall it seems like Vienna is looking for reasons to back out of the Linux migration, perhaps in exchange for some goodies some big companies would donate in that case. Things like this have happened before.
Cheers, Kai
Kai Blin schrieb:
On Friday 06 June 2008 15:11:34 Dan Kegel wrote:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39429910,00.htm http://economyaustria.at/Text/?id=3363378 Vienna migrates some Linux workstations to Vista because a single app, Schlaumäuse, crashes under Wine. Looks like they send the software out upon request to teachers; see http://www.schlaumaeuse.de/ (Can somebody send me a copy?)
To quote from the zdnet report:
[quote] The software maker behind the Schlaumäuse software is planning a Firefox version for 2009, according to Ringler, who pointed out in the report that the city could have subsidised a Firefox version of the software for a fraction of the cost of the Windows Vista migration. [/quote]
Given that they didn't even bother to file a bug report or add an appdb entry, that sounds pretty fishy. I know that there's been a couple of bug reports and requested changes to Samba when Munich migrated to Windows. I don't see why any real user of Wine wouldn't at least file a bug report.
Overall it seems like Vienna is looking for reasons to back out of the Linux migration, perhaps in exchange for some goodies some big companies would donate in that case. Things like this have happened before.
also if schlaumäuse is only the lexicon, then I can say: it works with FF3. See http://www.schlaumaeuse.de/bildungsinitiative/lexikon.html click on the picture and a javascript will open a new window with the lexicon. It takes a while to load, but it seems to work.
bye Jochen
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Overall it seems like Vienna is looking for reasons to back out of the Linux migration, perhaps in exchange for some goodies some big companies would donate in that case. Things like this have happened before.
There was a small remark about this in the classic newspapers here as well, and even my dad(non-technie as far as computers are concerned) had the impression that the real reason for the switch is unofficial for legal or ethic reasons...
As far as the price is concerned, it seems that they're buying 750 Vista Ultimate licenses for the computers, otherwise they wouldn't spend 400.000 euro just for those boxes. What's especially embarrassing for me(as an Austrian) is that the other days we're told that there is no money for anything in education. Feels like a banana republic at times.
I guess someone should send Vienna an offer to write an IE replacement capable of running that app for 1/4th of the 8 Millions, or maybe a realistic price even, and see what happens, just for the amusement of the political discussion. Jeremy?
Kai wrote:
Given that they didn't even bother to file a bug report or add an appdb entry, that sounds pretty fishy. I know that there's been a couple of bug reports and requested changes to Samba when Munich migrated to Windows. I don't see why any real user of Wine wouldn't at least file a bug report.
You'd be surprised. I've visited the Limux guys in Munich, and although they did test and use Wine, they had very little time to devote to it. I helped them file Wine bugs, don't know if they would have without help. I don't know much about the Vienna effort. I did make contact with them in 2006, but they didn't seem that interested in Wine at the time. I emailed them again today, perhaps they're more interested now.
Overall it seems like Vienna is looking for reasons to back out of the Linux migration, perhaps in exchange for some goodies some big companies would donate in that case. Things like this have happened before.
Vienna, like Munich, isn't monolithic. There are people and parties who support the migration in both cases, and those who oppose it. It's a continual tug-of-war. - Dan
On Friday 06 June 2008 16:07:05 Dan Kegel wrote:
You'd be surprised. I've visited the Limux guys in Munich, and although they did test and use Wine, they had very little time to devote to it. I helped them file Wine bugs, don't know if they would have without help. I don't know much about the Vienna effort. I did make contact with them in 2006, but they didn't seem that interested in Wine at the time. I emailed them again today, perhaps they're more interested now.
So the issue is that Wine is still not regarded as a serious project. I know Munich contracted a company to fix their Samba issues. Why not do the same for Wine? I know there's German-language companies doing this, and Codeweavers has an Austrian native speaker.
Vienna, like Munich, isn't monolithic. There are people and parties who support the migration in both cases, and those who oppose it. It's a continual tug-of-war.
Yes, my point is that "Our Kindergarden app doesn't work with Wine, let's roll out Vista instead" sounds very suspicious to me. This is a politics issue, not a technical issue.
Cheers, Kai
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