Installing Palm Desktop

[James Liggett]

Hi Uwe,
I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this might prove
useful to someone:

1. Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install dcom98
first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain, but it will
leave behind all the files you need in Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy
all the files in there to Windows\system, and set msi.dll and
msiexec.exe to native.

2. Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-...
Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it, set
setupapi to builtin and run the file.

3. Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install everything
you need.

Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a crash
in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working on getting
Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor driver, but there's
some problems with that. I'll post a dump of the messages I get and see
if I can make something happen. Thanks for the help :).

James

[Tony Lambregts]

James Liggett wrote:
> Hi Uwe,
> I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this might prove
> useful to someone:
> - Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install dcom98
>
> first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain, but it will
> leave behind all the files you need in Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy
> all the files in there to Windows\system, and set msi.dll and
> msiexec.exe to native.
> - Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-...
> Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it, set
> setupapi to builtin and run the file.
> - Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install everything
>
> you need.
>
> Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a crash
> in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working on getting
> Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor driver, but there's
> some problems with that. I'll post a dump of the messages I get and see
> if I can make something happen. Thanks for the help :).

What version of Palm Desktop is this? This would make a great howto, I would add 
it to the proper version myself if I knew the version.

Please consider becoming a maintainer for this app.

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=688

--

Tony Lambregts

[James Liggett]

Hi Tony,
This is Desktop 4.1 that came with my Tungsten T. I've considered
becoming a maintainer for the app, but being the extremely neurotic
perfectionist I am, I've yet to decide what exactly my "reason" for
becoming a maintainer will be, but I will be putting in the request
eventually.

Kind regards,
James Liggett

On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 19:42 -0600, Tony Lambregts wrote:
> James Liggett wrote:
> > Hi Uwe,
> > I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this might prove
> > useful to someone:
> > - Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install dcom98
> >
> > first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain, but it will
> > leave behind all the files you need in Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy
> > all the files in there to Windows\system, and set msi.dll and
> > msiexec.exe to native.
> > - Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-...
> > Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it, set
> > setupapi to builtin and run the file.
> > - Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install everything
> >
> > you need.
> >
> > Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a crash
> > in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working on getting
> > Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor driver, but there's
> > some problems with that. I'll post a dump of the messages I get and see
> > if I can make something happen. Thanks for the help :).
>
> What version of Palm Desktop is this? This would make a great howto, I would add 
> it to the proper version myself if I knew the version.
>
> Please consider becoming a maintainer for this app.
>
> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=688
>
> --
>
> Tony Lambregts

[Uwe Bonnes]

> > > > > "James" == James Liggett  writes:

James> Hi Uwe, I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this
    James> might prove useful to someone:

James> 1. Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install
    James> dcom98 first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain,
    James> but it will leave behind all the files you need in
    James> Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy all the files in there to
    James> Windows\system, and set msi.dll and msiexec.exe to native.

James> 2. Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
    James> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-...
    James> Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it,
    James> set setupapi to builtin and run the file.

This is what winetools does too...

James> 3. Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install
    James> everything you need.

James> Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a
    James> crash in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working
What crash?
There is a known problem with a broken mircoquill heap checking library 
http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/2004/09/0193.html

James> on getting Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor
    James> driver, but there's some problems with that. I'll post a dump of
    James> the messages I get and see if I can make something happen. Thanks
    James> for the help :).

While I see chances with a serial connection, USB has probably a long way to
go.

Bye

[James Liggett]

Uwe,
While it's true that wine can't access USB directly, i thought it might
be able to interface with a usbserial driver like visor used by things
like pilot-link. At least theoretically anyway, since these are USB to
serial converters. Maybe I'm wrong about that though. Maybe I should
look at the pilot-link source. That might yield some clues as to how
these drivers really work.

James Liggett

On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 11:28 +0200, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> > > > > > "James" == James Liggett  writes:
> James> Hi Uwe, I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this
> James> might prove useful to someone:
>
> James> 1. Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install
> James> dcom98 first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain,
> James> but it will leave behind all the files you need in
> James> Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy all the files in there to
> James> Windows\system, and set msi.dll and msiexec.exe to native.
>
> James> 2. Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
> James> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-bfcf-fc6af26dc390&DisplayLang=en
> James> Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it,
> James> set setupapi to builtin and run the file.
>
> This is what winetools does too...
> James> 3. Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install
> James> everything you need.
>
> James> Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a
> James> crash in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working
>
> What crash?
> There is a known problem with a broken mircoquill heap checking library 
> http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/2004/09/0193.html
> James> on getting Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor
> James> driver, but there's some problems with that. I'll post a dump of
> James> the messages I get and see if I can make something happen. Thanks
> James> for the help :).
>
> While I see chances with a serial connection, USB has probably a long way to
> go.
>
> Bye

[Uwe Bonnes]

> > > > > "James" == James Liggett  writes:

James> Uwe, While it's true that wine can't access USB directly, i
    James> thought it might be able to interface with a usbserial driver
    James> like visor used by things like pilot-link. At least theoretically
    James> anyway, since these are USB to serial converters. Maybe I'm wrong
    James> about that though. Maybe I should look at the pilot-link
    James> source. That might yield some clues as to how these drivers
    James> really work.

If the pilot link accesses "comX", even via usb, it can work. I have the JTAG
ACR ICE adapter working with AVRSTUDIO

[James Liggett]

That's excellent news. But what about the GetCommState complaints? I'm
looking at the pilot-link source now to see if I can figure out a way to
get some kind of interface set up.

Thanks,
James

On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 21:36 +0200, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> > > > > > "James" == James Liggett  writes:
> James> Uwe, While it's true that wine can't access USB directly, i
> James> thought it might be able to interface with a usbserial driver
> James> like visor used by things like pilot-link. At least theoretically
> James> anyway, since these are USB to serial converters. Maybe I'm wrong
> James> about that though. Maybe I should look at the pilot-link
> James> source. That might yield some clues as to how these drivers
> James> really work.
>
> If the pilot link accesses "comX", even via usb, it can work. I have the JTAG
> ACR ICE adapter working with AVRSTUDIO

[James Liggett]

Hi Uwe,
I checked out the link you gave me, but it doesn't seem consistent with
what I get. According to WineDbg, the problem is in lolvldrv.c at line
614. Not really sure what it does though. It looks like a garden variety
NULL pointer problem to me. Here's the dump for more info.

Regards,
James

On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 11:28 +0200, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> > > > > > "James" == James Liggett  writes:
> James> Hi Uwe, I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this
> James> might prove useful to someone:
>
> James> 1. Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install
> James> dcom98 first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain,
> James> but it will leave behind all the files you need in
> James> Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy all the files in there to
> James> Windows\system, and set msi.dll and msiexec.exe to native.
>
> James> 2. Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
> James> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-bfcf-fc6af26dc390&DisplayLang=en
> James> Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it,
> James> set setupapi to builtin and run the file.
>
> This is what winetools does too...
> James> 3. Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install
> James> everything you need.
>
> James> Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a
> James> crash in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working
>
> What crash?
> There is a known problem with a broken mircoquill heap checking library 
> http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/2004/09/0193.html
> James> on getting Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor
> James> driver, but there's some problems with that. I'll post a dump of
> James> the messages I get and see if I can make something happen. Thanks
> James> for the help :).
>
> While I see chances with a serial connection, USB has probably a long way to
> go.
>
> Bye

[Andrew Neil Ramage]

I'm trying to install the Windows Installer using Winetools. 
Unfortunately, it stops about 60% through the "Preparing Installation" 
phase with the message "The installer has insufficient privileges to 
modify this file: C:\Config Msi\444860.rbf"  Anyone know what is going 
wrong ?

System:
    Mandriva Limited Edition 2005
    Wine 20050524
    Winetools 2.1.2

The output from winetools is

[andrew@zeus Windows]$ winetools
LD_PRELOAD=
found gettext in path
detecting Wine version... done.
Drive C: is /home/andrew/.wine/drive_c
Wine 20050524
wine is executed as wine
Parameters are --noexit
Browser is /usr/local/firefox/firefox.
WINEVER is "20050524".
Calls to wine are executed as  "wine".
Config is /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log.
CDROM is /mnt/cdrom2.
Choice is Install Windows system software
*new* fake Windows drive
software installation verified by /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log
*new* fake Windows drive = installed at 08.07.2005 22:04:06
dependency *new*
dcom98.exe
software installation verified by /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log
dcom98.exe = installed at 08.07.2005 22:04:50
dependency dcom98.exe fulfilled
Microsoft Internet Explorer.*
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
software installation verified by registry value
dependency Microsoft
Choice is Windows Installer
InstMsiA.exe
software installation verified by /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log
1709160
WINEDEBUG="fixme-all" WINEDLLOVERRIDES="" wine ./InstMsiA.exe
waiting for wineservers to exit...

[andrew@zeus Windows]$

Andrew

You can be the captain
I will draw the chart
Sailing into destiny
Closer to the heart

Closer to the Heart by Rush (A Farewell to Kings, 1977)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

James Liggett wrote:
> Hi Uwe,
> I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this might prove
> useful to someone:
> - Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install dcom98
>
> first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain, but it will
> leave behind all the files you need in Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy
> all the files in there to Windows\system, and set msi.dll and
> msiexec.exe to native.
> - Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-...
> Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it, set
> setupapi to builtin and run the file.
> - Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install everything
>
> you need.
>
> Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a crash
> in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working on getting
> Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor driver, but there's
> some problems with that. I'll post a dump of the messages I get and see
> if I can make something happen. Thanks for the help :).
>
> James

[James Liggett]

Hmmm... never seen that before. I never did use version 20050524, so
there could be some regressions that I'm not aware of. I would ditch
this version and go with the current one, 20050628. But there's a catch:
They got rid of the config file and replaced it with registry entries.
As of yet, Winetools isn't yet aware of this, so you can't use it. But
getting windows installer to work is easy: Run instmsia.exe. The
installer will complain, but it will dump everything you need into
Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy all the stuff in there to \Windows
\system. Then set msi.dll and misexec.exe to native, and Windows
Installer will work. Good luck. ;-)

James Liggett

On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 00:15 +0100, Andrew Neil Ramage wrote:
> I'm trying to install the Windows Installer using Winetools. 
> Unfortunately, it stops about 60% through the "Preparing Installation" 
> phase with the message "The installer has insufficient privileges to 
> modify this file: C:\Config Msi\444860.rbf"  Anyone know what is going 
> wrong ?
>
> System:
>    Mandriva Limited Edition 2005
>    Wine 20050524
>    Winetools 2.1.2
>
> The output from winetools is
>
> [andrew@zeus Windows]$ winetools
> LD_PRELOAD=
> found gettext in path
> detecting Wine version... done.
> Drive C: is /home/andrew/.wine/drive_c
> Wine 20050524
> wine is executed as wine
> Parameters are --noexit
> Browser is /usr/local/firefox/firefox.
> WINEVER is "20050524".
> Calls to wine are executed as  "wine".
> Config is /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log.
> CDROM is /mnt/cdrom2.
> Choice is Install Windows system software
> *new* fake Windows drive
> software installation verified by /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log
> *new* fake Windows drive = installed at 08.07.2005 22:04:06
> dependency *new*
> dcom98.exe
> software installation verified by /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log
> dcom98.exe = installed at 08.07.2005 22:04:50
> dependency dcom98.exe fulfilled
> Microsoft Internet Explorer.*
> Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
> software installation verified by registry value
> dependency Microsoft
> Choice is Windows Installer
> InstMsiA.exe
> software installation verified by /home/andrew/.wine/winetools.log
> 1709160
> WINEDEBUG="fixme-all" WINEDLLOVERRIDES="" wine ./InstMsiA.exe
> waiting for wineservers to exit...
>
> [andrew@zeus Windows]$
>
> Andrew
>
> You can be the captain
> I will draw the chart
> Sailing into destiny
> Closer to the heart
>
> Closer to the Heart by Rush (A Farewell to Kings, 1977)
>
> James Liggett wrote:
> > Hi Uwe,
> > I figured out how to install Palm Desktop, perhaps this might prove
> > useful to someone:
> > 
> > 1. Install native Windows Installer manually. To do this, install dcom98
> > first. Then run instmsia.exe. The install will complain, but it will
> > leave behind all the files you need in Windows\Installer\InstMsi0. Copy
> > all the files in there to Windows\system, and set msi.dll and
> > msiexec.exe to native.
> > 
> > 2. Install Windows Script 5.6. You can download it from here:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-bfcf-fc6af26dc390&DisplayLang=en
> > Keep in mind that it's the English version though. To install it, set
> > setupapi to builtin and run the file.
> > 
> > 3. Run Palm Desktop setup like normal, and it will install everything
> > you need. 
> > 
> > Of course, running palm desktop is a different story (there is a crash
> > in WinMM that stops it from running.) I'm currently working on getting
> > Hotsync to work with my USB cradle using the visor driver, but there's
> > some problems with that. I'll post a dump of the messages I get and see
> > if I can make something happen. Thanks for the help :).
> > 
> > James
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

[Mike McCormack]

James Liggett wrote:
> \system. Then set msi.dll and misexec.exe to native, and Windows
> Installer will work. Good luck. ;-)

It would be nice if you could try use the builtin msi and msiexec.exe 
and report success or failure with it...

Mike

[James Liggett]

That's what I did initially. Unfortunately, it doesn't work. :( It tries
to install, but skips right to the end and doesn't install anything. But
I'm using a newer cvs build now. I can try it again if you want.

James

On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 00:06 +0900, Mike McCormack wrote:
> James Liggett wrote:
> > \system. Then set msi.dll and misexec.exe to native, and Windows
> > Installer will work. Good luck. ;-)
>
> It would be nice if you could try use the builtin msi and msiexec.exe 
> and report success or failure with it...
>
> Mike

[Robert Shearman]

James Liggett wrote:
> That's what I did initially. Unfortunately, it doesn't work. :( It tries
> to install, but skips right to the end and doesn't install anything. But
> I'm using a newer cvs build now. I can try it again if you want.
>
> James
>
> On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 00:06 +0900, Mike McCormack wrote:
> > James Liggett wrote:
> > > \system. Then set msi.dll and misexec.exe to native, and Windows
> > > Installer will work. Good luck. ;-)
> >
> > It would be nice if you could try use the builtin msi and msiexec.exe 
> > and report success or failure with it...
> >
> > Mike

The problem appears to be that the InstallShield installer expects 
objects in the Running Object Table to be shared between processes, but 
this is not the case at the moment and is a fairly big piece of work. It 
needs to be done eventually, but I'm not likely to start work on this 
any time soon.

[James Liggett]

Interesting... What would implementing this entail?

James

On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 16:09 -0500, Robert Shearman wrote:
> James Liggett wrote:
> > That's what I did initially. Unfortunately, it doesn't work. :( It tries
> > to install, but skips right to the end and doesn't install anything. But
> > I'm using a newer cvs build now. I can try it again if you want.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 00:06 +0900, Mike McCormack wrote:
> > > James Liggett wrote:
> > > > \system. Then set msi.dll and misexec.exe to native, and Windows
> > > > Installer will work. Good luck. ;-)
> > >
> > > It would be nice if you could try use the builtin msi and msiexec.exe 
> > > and report success or failure with it...
> > >
> > > Mike
>
> The problem appears to be that the InstallShield installer expects 
> objects in the Running Object Table to be shared between processes, but 
> this is not the case at the moment and is a fairly big piece of work. It 
> needs to be done eventually, but I'm not likely to start work on this 
> any time soon.

[Robert Shearman]

James Liggett wrote:
> > The problem appears to be that the InstallShield installer expects 
> > objects in the Running Object Table to be shared between processes, but 
> > this is not the case at the moment and is a fairly big piece of work. It 
> > needs to be done eventually, but I'm not likely to start work on this 
> > any time soon.
>
> Interesting... What would implementing this entail?

It means maintaining the global ROT in rpcss and calling into it to 
notifying it when client register or revoke objects. The best way of 
doing this is using MIDL-generated DCE/RPC code. The functions will then 
be called in pretty much the same way as the local functions. This was a 
conscious design decision when I rewrote the running object table code 
so that it would be easier to make global. A good place to look for the 
IDL code for this is Samba. Let me know if you need any more technical help.

[Stefan Leichter]

Am Samstag, 9. Juli 2005 17:06 schrieb Mike McCormack:
> It would be nice if you could try use the builtin msi and msiexec.exe
> and report success or failure with it...

As i said at the verry beginning: The Installer doesn't install any file on my 
disk. It displays two start dialogs (Install Shield and Windows Installer) 
and the finish dialog and hangs than. 
This happens after starting from scratch, installing dcom98, ie6 and windows 
scripting host.

I have attached the console output, and the list  of hanging processes

Bye Stefan