re: Do we need a forum?

[Dan Kegel]

Steven Edwards wrote:
> My thoughts, as well as
> Tom's was that by creating a "blessed" location, all third parties as
> well as vendors that develop Wine related products could say "if you
> want to discuss using a vendor provided Wine product in a
> non-supported manner all are advised to go here and share information"

Yes, of course, it would be nice if there were One True Place to go,
but the closest we're ever going to get is essentially the status quo,
where the wine-users mailing list is the place of record for user support,
the appdb is the place of record for looking for tips for a particular app,
and all the other areas are secondary.  We can improve slightly
on this by linking to other popular wine forums as they pop up,
emphasizing all the while that they are secondary.
- Dan

Do we need a forum?

[Phil Krylov]

Hi,

On 19/02/2008, Dan Kegel  wrote:
> Steven Edwards wrote:
> > My thoughts, as well as
> > Tom's was that by creating a "blessed" location, all third parties as
> > well as vendors that develop Wine related products could say "if you
> > want to discuss using a vendor provided Wine product in a
> > non-supported manner all are advised to go here and share information"
>
> Yes, of course, it would be nice if there were One True Place to go,
> but the closest we're ever going to get is essentially the status quo,
> where the wine-users mailing list is the place of record for user support,
> the appdb is the place of record for looking for tips for a particular app,
> and all the other areas are secondary.  We can improve slightly
> on this by linking to other popular wine forums as they pop up,
> emphasizing all the while that they are secondary.

I think that any existing place will eventually grow really popular if
it will be called "http://forum.winehq.org".

-- Ph.

Do we need a forum?

[Dan Kegel]

On Feb 19, 2008 2:33 PM, Phil Krylov  wrote:
> I think that any existing place will eventually grow really popular if
> it will be called "http://forum.winehq.org".

OK.  I propose we make that a redirect to
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/topics?lnk=srg

Do we need a forum?

[Steven Edwards]

On Feb 19, 2008 6:07 PM, Dan Kegel  wrote:
> OK.  I propose we make that a redirect to
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/topics?lnk=srg

-1 I still don't like the layout and easy of use of google groups. It
has decent search but thats about all it has going for it. Running our
own forum gives us more control over the layout and features.

Do we need a forum?

[Dan Kegel]

On Feb 19, 2008 3:23 PM, Steven Edwards  wrote:
> > OK.  I propose we make that a redirect to
> > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/topics?lnk=srg
>
> -1 I still don't like the layout and easy of use of google groups. It
> has decent search but thats about all it has going for it. Running our
> own forum gives us more control over the layout and features.

I was mostly joking.

Now that http://winehq.org/site/forums links to the two
existing popular forums about Wine, I think we should be
covered.

As I said earlier, I think creating our own forum would just
fragment users further.  I know somehow you think that
won't happen, and you think every user everywhere would
flock to our forum, but I think there's very little chance of
users abandoning the forums they're familiar with.

Wine should strive to not be a destination site in and of itself,
it should strive to be an invisible part of the plumbing of
every linux distro.
- Dan

Do we need a forum?

[James McKenzie]

Dan Kegel wrote:
> Now that http://winehq.org/site/forums links to the two
> existing popular forums about Wine, I think we should be
> covered.
>
> As I said earlier, I think creating our own forum would just
> fragment users further.  I know somehow you think that
> won't happen, and you think every user everywhere would
> flock to our forum, but I think there's very little chance of
> users abandoning the forums they're familiar with.
>
> Wine should strive to not be a destination site in and of itself,
> it should strive to be an invisible part of the plumbing of
> every linux distro.

Let's not forget the growing crowd of Macs as well.  I would like to see 
the code from Darwine brought back into the Wine distribution.  I doubt 
we will ever see an integrated Wine in Mac OS X.

James McKenzie

Do we need a forum?

[Dmitry Timoshkov]

"James McKenzie"  wrote:
> Let's not forget the growing crowd of Macs as well.  I would like to see 
> the code from Darwine brought back into the Wine distribution.

Which code are you talking about?
> I doubt 
> we will ever see an integrated Wine in Mac OS X.

I don't think that spreading this kind of misinformation is helpful,
especially in the developers list.

Do we need a forum?

[Steven Edwards]

On Feb 19, 2008 11:25 PM, Dmitry Timoshkov  wrote:
> > Let's not forget the growing crowd of Macs as well.  I would like to see
> > the code from Darwine brought back into the Wine distribution.
>
> Which code are you talking about?

He means this patch

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=69890&atid=526089

I have it applied in my local tree and am working to get it working
with the latest Winehq sources. Some stuff has changed and moved in to
user/gdi so I have a patch but it does not work yet...
> > I doubt
> > we will ever see an integrated Wine in Mac OS X.
>
> I don't think that spreading this kind of misinformation is helpful,
> especially in the developers list.

He means we will not bloodly likely see apple bundle Wine with OS X.

Do we need a forum?

[Dmitry Timoshkov]

"Steven Edwards"  wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2008 11:25 PM, Dmitry Timoshkov  wrote:
> > > Let's not forget the growing crowd of Macs as well.  I would like to see
> > > the code from Darwine brought back into the Wine distribution.
> >
> > Which code are you talking about?
>
> He means this patch
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=69890&atid=526089

Then he is probably aware that this is a developers list, and we always
appreciate the patches.
> I have it applied in my local tree and am working to get it working
> with the latest Winehq sources. Some stuff has changed and moved in to
> user/gdi so I have a patch but it does not work yet...

Feel free to send the patches once you have it working.
> > > I doubt
> > > we will ever see an integrated Wine in Mac OS X.
> >
> > I don't think that spreading this kind of misinformation is helpful,
> > especially in the developers list.
>
> He means we will not bloodly likely see apple bundle Wine with OS X.

How is that related to "the code from Darwine"?