Re: Winehq: Bugzilla responsibilities page

[Andreas Mohr]

On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 12:06:22PM -0700, Andriy Palamarchuk wrote:
> Changelog:
>   Added bugzilla responsibilities page.

Hi,

hmm, I'm not 100% sure about this.

- why did you remove bug tracking link ?
- "Talking Back" probably isn't very descriptive. I'd add something like "...
(bugs etc.)"
- that's Albe*r*telli
- Application owners play *an* important role in the bugs handling process.
- why add a whole new talkback.inc ? isn't that a bit overkill ?
- why is <li>Bugs Hunting Guide</li> non-functional text ?

Wow, questions over questions :-)

Good job with bugz_resp.inc, BTW !!

Needless to say I'll add this immediately as soon as these questions
are covered :)

Winehq: Bugzilla responsibilities page

[Andriy Palamarchuk]

--- Andreas Mohr  wrote:
> - why did you remove bug tracking link ?

I was going to put it on the talkback page. Feel free
to return the link to the original position if you do
not agree with me.
See below.
> - "Talking Back" probably isn't very descriptive.
>
> I'd add something like "...
> (bugs etc.)"
> - that's Albe*r*telli
> - Application owners play *an* important role in the
>
> bugs handling process.

Oops, sorry Guy.
Please fix misspellings or bad English you find.
> - why add a whole new talkback.inc ? isn't that a
>
> bit overkill ?

Bug tracking activities are very close to AppDB
maintaining activities. Both present feedback to Wine
developers and processing of this feedback. The idea
is to have one page to describe both activities.
Users, wanting to provide feedback or help to handle
such feedback will have one page to start from.
Information I want to have on this page:
* link to Bugzilla
* link to AppDB
* link to guidelines for Wine bugs tracking process -
finding, submission, research, fixing, testing. Of
cause these guidelines will have tons of references to
existing documents.
* link to AppDB maintainer guide

Remove this page if you think this is too much, we can
regroup information later.

Do you have better name? "User Feedback" does not
sound good either.
> - why is <li>Bugs Hunting Guide</li> non-functional
>
> text ?

FIXME reminder :-) Please remove it.

Andriy

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Winehq: Bugzilla responsibilities page

[Andreas Mohr]

On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 12:48:07PM -0700, Andriy Palamarchuk wrote:
> > - "Talking Back" probably isn't very descriptive.
> >
> > I'd add something like "...
> > (bugs etc.)"
> > - that's Albe*r*telli
> > - Application owners play *an* important role in the
> >
> > bugs handling process.
>
> Oops, sorry Guy.
> Please fix misspellings or bad English you find.

Hehe, ok :-)
> > - why add a whole new talkback.inc ? isn't that a
> >
> > bit overkill ?
>
> Bug tracking activities are very close to AppDB
> maintaining activities. Both present feedback to Wine
> developers and processing of this feedback. The idea
> is to have one page to describe both activities.
> Users, wanting to provide feedback or help to handle
> such feedback will have one page to start from.
> Information I want to have on this page:
> - link to Bugzilla
> - link to AppDB
> - link to guidelines for Wine bugs tracking process -
>
> finding, submission, research, fixing, testing. Of
> cause these guidelines will have tons of references to
> existing documents.
> - link to AppDB maintainer guide
>
> Remove this page if you think this is too much, we can
> regroup information later.

This sounds *a lot* like what
www.winehq.org/about/index.php?contrib
already lists.

I really don't think adding a sort of "duplicate" page is
going to help with the Wine users that already in some cases seem to be
going out of their way to make sure that they don't contribute to Wine
activities.
(because it might even leave those people that do want to do Wine
activities confused)
My reasoning is: how many external winehq maintainers do we have ?
how many main AppDB maintainers ? How many FAQ-O-Matic maintainers ?
How many documentation writers ? How many translators ? How many regular
application testers ?
(Almost) all are tasks that even a non-programmer can easily handle given
some dedication...

So how should this page conflict be resolved ?
I'm open to anything - well, probably except to having two separate pages
with some sort of "Wine contribution" content.
> Do you have better name? "User Feedback" does not
> sound good either.

"Getting involved in Wine activities" ?
That might be the link to a combined page, at least.
> > - why is <li>Bugs Hunting Guide</li> non-functional
> >
> > text ?
>
> FIXME reminder :-) Please remove it.

I'd comment it out, then.

Winehq: Bugzilla responsibilities page

[Andriy Palamarchuk]

--- Andreas Mohr  wrote:
> > > - why add a whole new talkback.inc ? isn't that
>
> a
> > > bit overkill ?
> >
> > Bug tracking activities are very close to AppDB
> > maintaining activities. Both present feedback to
>
> Wine
> > developers and processing of this feedback. The
>
> idea
> > is to have one page to describe both activities.
> > Users, wanting to provide feedback or help to
>
> handle
> > such feedback will have one page to start from.
> > Information I want to have on this page:
> > - link to Bugzilla
> > - link to AppDB
> > - link to guidelines for Wine bugs tracking
>
> process -
> > finding, submission, research, fixing, testing. Of
> > cause these guidelines will have tons of
>
> references to
> > existing documents.
> > - link to AppDB maintainer guide
> >
> > Remove this page if you think this is too much, we
>
> can
> > regroup information later.
>
> This sounds *a lot* like what
> www.winehq.org/about/index.php?contrib
> already lists.

Sounds good for me.
> I really don't think adding a sort of "duplicate"
> page is
> going to help with the Wine users that already in
> some cases seem to be
> going out of their way to make sure that they don't
> contribute to Wine
> activities.
> (because it might even leave those people that do
> want to do Wine
> activities confused)
> My reasoning is: how many external winehq
> maintainers do we have ?
> how many main AppDB maintainers ? How many
> FAQ-O-Matic maintainers ?
> How many documentation writers ? How many
> translators ? How many regular
> application testers ?
> (Almost) all are tasks that even a non-programmer
> can easily handle given
> some dedication...
>
> So how should this page conflict be resolved ?
> I'm open to anything - well, probably except to
> having two separate pages
> with some sort of "Wine contribution" content.

Agree.
Lets remove talkback.inc, make a link to the contrib
page from development page too. The contrib page may
also have a link to the bugzilla repsponsibilities
page.
In future I'll add information I consider necessary to
contrib.inc.

Andriy

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[Francois Gouget]

On Thu, 30 May 2002, Andriy Palamarchuk wrote:
[...]
> > I really don't think adding a sort of "duplicate" page is going to
> > help with the Wine users

Agreed. The web site already has way too much redundancy and off-topic
stuff (making progress though).
> > My reasoning is: how many external winehq maintainers do we have ?
> > how many main AppDB maintainers ? How many FAQ-O-Matic maintainers ?
> > How many documentation writers ? How many translators ? How many
> > regular application testers ? (Almost) all are tasks that even a
> > non-programmer can easily handle given some dedication...

All these should be listed on the 'How to contribute' page.

For the above, a call for volunteers posted on wine-dev, wine-users, the
newsgroup and the WWN would probably help too.
> Agree.
> Lets remove talkback.inc, make a link to the contrib
> page from development page too. The contrib page may
> also have a link to the bugzilla repsponsibilities
> page.

The 'How to Contribute' page should be made more visible. I would put it
as a top-level item, same as About, Development, etc. It may require a
web site reorganization but I think it is worth it.

For a proposal see:
http://wine.codeweavers.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=608

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