Fwd: Re: netstat: Initial implementation (try 2)

[André Hentschel]

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: netstat: Initial implementation (try 2)
Datum: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:39:54 +0100
Von: André Hentschel 
An: Wine Devel

Am 28.12.2012 23:10, schrieb Frédéric Delanoy:
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:03 PM, André Hentschel  wrote:
> > +#define IDS_TCP_UNKNOWN     0
> > +#define IDS_TCP_CLOSED      1
> > +#define IDS_TCP_LISTENING   2
> > +#define IDS_TCP_SYN_SENT    3
> > +#define IDS_TCP_SYN_RCVD    4
> > +#define IDS_TCP_ESTABLISHED 5
> > +#define IDS_TCP_FIN_WAIT1   6
> > +#define IDS_TCP_FIN_WAIT2   7
> > +#define IDS_TCP_CLOSE_WAIT  8
> > +#define IDS_TCP_CLOSING     9
> > +#define IDS_TCP_LAST_ACK    10
> > +#define IDS_TCP_TIME_WAIT   11
> > +#define IDS_TCP_DELETE_TCB  12
> > <...>
> > - IDS_TCP_CLOSED,      "CLOSED"
> > - IDS_TCP_LISTENING,   "LISTENING"
> > - IDS_TCP_SYN_SENT,    "SYN_SENT"
> > - IDS_TCP_SYN_RCVD,    "SYN_RCVD"
> > - IDS_TCP_ESTABLISHED, "ESTABLISHED"
> > - IDS_TCP_FIN_WAIT1,   "FIN_WAIT1"
> > - IDS_TCP_FIN_WAIT2,   "FIN_WAIT2"
> > - IDS_TCP_CLOSE_WAIT,  "CLOSE_WAIT"
> > - IDS_TCP_CLOSING,     "CLOSING"
> > - IDS_TCP_LAST_ACK,    "LAST_ACK"
> > - IDS_TCP_TIME_WAIT,   "TIME_WAIT"
> > - IDS_TCP_DELETE_TCB,  "DELETE_TCB"
>
> Are these really supposed to be translated? If not they probably
> should be "hardcoded" in a C file.
>
> Frédéric

In german Windows they are, not sure about the french one.
see also http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-December/098259.html

netstat: Initial implementation (try 2)

[Frédéric Delanoy]

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:06 PM, André Hentschel  wrote:
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Re: netstat: Initial implementation (try 2)
> Datum: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:39:54 +0100
> Von: André Hentschel 
> An: Wine Devel
>
> Am 28.12.2012 23:10, schrieb Frédéric Delanoy:
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:03 PM, André Hentschel  wrote:
> > > +#define IDS_TCP_TIME_WAIT   11
> > > +#define IDS_TCP_DELETE_TCB  12
> > > <...>
> > > - IDS_TCP_CLOSED,      "CLOSED"
> > > - IDS_TCP_LISTENING,   "LISTENING"
> > > - IDS_TCP_SYN_SENT,    "SYN_SENT"
> > > - IDS_TCP_SYN_RCVD,    "SYN_RCVD"
> > > - IDS_TCP_ESTABLISHED, "ESTABLISHED"
> > > - IDS_TCP_FIN_WAIT1,   "FIN_WAIT1"
> > > - IDS_TCP_FIN_WAIT2,   "FIN_WAIT2"
> > > - IDS_TCP_CLOSE_WAIT,  "CLOSE_WAIT"
> > > - IDS_TCP_CLOSING,     "CLOSING"
> > > - IDS_TCP_LAST_ACK,    "LAST_ACK"
> > > - IDS_TCP_TIME_WAIT,   "TIME_WAIT"
> > > - IDS_TCP_DELETE_TCB,  "DELETE_TCB"
> >
> > Are these really supposed to be translated? If not they probably
> > should be "hardcoded" in a C file.
> >
> > Frédéric
>
> In german Windows they are, not sure about the french one.
> see also http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-December/098259.html

It seems to be a specificity in the German version: it's not translated
in the French version (tested on different windows versions).
And apparently neither in other languages, if one can
trust the various http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netstat page
translations, and the various "localized" screenshots of netstat using
your favorite web search engine.

Also, IMHO,  it makes little to no sense to translate stuff like
"CLOSE_WAIT" or "FIN_WAIT1" with are part of a standard
specification... so 'hardcoding" them would not cause much harm, if at all.

Frédéric

netstat: Initial implementation (try 2)

[Julian Rüger]

Am Freitag, den 04.01.2013, 00:58 +0100 schrieb Frédéric Delanoy:
> It seems to be a specificity in the German version: it's not translated
> in the French version (tested on different windows versions).
> And apparently neither in other languages, if one can
> trust the various http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netstat page
> translations, and the various "localized" screenshots of netstat using
> your favorite web search engine.
>
> Also, IMHO,  it makes little to no sense to translate stuff like
> "CLOSE_WAIT" or "FIN_WAIT1" with are part of a standard
> specification... so 'hardcoding" them would not cause much harm, if at all.
>
> Frédéric

FWIW, I also think translating these strings can only make
clarity/comprehensibility worse. Even in the (highly unlikely, IMHO)
case that the user does not speak English at all, the states would match
those found in technical literature. At least, I have never seen them
translated in German literature.

I already sent a patch with translations, although I'm not particularly
happy with them. It seems impossible to come up with something that does
not change the meaning or sound completely awkward. German Windows 7's
netstat only confirms that.

Best regards,
Julian