Hello,
There is a new Wine help and discussion forum at http://www.wine-forum.org/index.php that is meant to be a meeting place for anyone interested in Wine usage or development. In the past there there has never been a single forum dedicated solely to Wine. The lack of a single forum has left people to post Wine related help and discussions in other forums. At the moment most users turn to their Linux distribution forum where Wine is often a sub-forum at most and questions often go unanswered.
My goal is to provide a forum to bring Wine users together into a single meeting place to discuss anything relevant to the daily happenings surrounding Wine. There are multiple categories/subforums to cover all aspects of using Wine (Applications, Games, 3rd Party Wine Utilities, Commercial Offerings, etc.).
Cheers,
Tom Wickline
Awesome, it was about time something like this was done, I feel more at home with a forum rather than using a mailing list - kudos to you! thanks a ton, I'll register ASAP ^_^.
On 10/29/07, Tom Wickline twickline@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
There is a new Wine help and discussion forum at http://www.wine-forum.org/index.php that is meant to be a meeting place for anyone interested in Wine usage or development. In the past there there has never been a single forum dedicated solely to Wine. The lack of a single forum has left people to post Wine related help and discussions in other forums. At the moment most users turn to their Linux distribution forum where Wine is often a sub-forum at most and questions often go unanswered.
My goal is to provide a forum to bring Wine users together into a single meeting place to discuss anything relevant to the daily happenings surrounding Wine. There are multiple categories/subforums to cover all aspects of using Wine (Applications, Games, 3rd Party Wine Utilities, Commercial Offerings, etc.).
Cheers,
Tom Wickline
wine-users mailing list wine-users@winehq.org http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Tom Wickline wrote:
My goal is to provide a forum to bring Wine users together into a single meeting place to discuss anything relevant to the daily happenings surrounding Wine.
Does that mean you will make it synchronise with the user mailinglist?
Jan
On 10/29/07, Jan Zerebecki jan.wine@zerebecki.de wrote:
Does that mean you will make it synchronise with the user mailinglist?
I can't speak for Tom on this issue, though I was the one to suggest that he start the forum after the Wineconf discussions regarding the mailing list and newsgroup disconnection. I think long term we might want to see about just killing the users mailing list if the forum proves to be much more popular. The idea is to have ONE central place for all user discussions. Most users these days tend to be content with a forum like system, see the proliferation of blogs as an example.
Am Montag, 29. Oktober 2007 19:18:29 schrieb Steven Edwards:
I can't speak for Tom on this issue, though I was the one to suggest that he start the forum after the Wineconf discussions regarding the mailing list and newsgroup disconnection. I think long term we might want to see about just killing the users mailing list if the forum proves to be much more popular. The idea is to have ONE central place for all user discussions. Most users these days tend to be content with a forum like system, see the proliferation of blogs as an example.
I suggested to create a forum because users are familiar with phpbb, but not with mailman. Tom wasn't on wineconf this time, unless I missed him 3 days long.
----------------------------------------> From: stefandoesinger@gmx.at> To: wine-devel@winehq.org> Subject: Re: New Wine help and discussion forum> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:10:43 +0100> CC: jan.wine@zerebecki.de; winehacker@gmail.com>> .> I suggested to create a forum because users are familiar with phpbb, but not> with mailman. Tom wasn't on wineconf this time, unless I missed him 3 days> long.
I think phpbb is more user friendly than what we got right now. That and the amount of spam I receive in my inbox directed at the current mail lists. I'm tired of getting emails telling me I've won the lottery directed to my inbox from wine, it takes too long to clear it all out.
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Hello,
Le lundi 29 octobre 2007 à 20:06 -0500, EA Durbin a écrit : [...]
I think phpbb is more user friendly than what we got right now. That and the amount of spam I receive in my inbox directed at the current mail lists. I'm tired of getting emails telling me I've won the lottery directed to my inbox from wine, it takes too long to clear it all out.
There is no such mail in the archives so I don't know how you did get lottery mail from wine.
By the way, I don't understand why people who don't want to get mail from wine don't simply use a newsgroup reader (any decent mail client will do) and subscribe to gmane after setting mailman to not send them any e-mail. I have 10's of lists set up this way so they don't interfere with my other e-mails and it's 100 times more user friendly (and faster) than having to browse to 10 different web based forums.
Maybe we could explain a little bit more the newsreader way of reading the list in http://www.winehq.org/site/forums.
And if you can't be bothered using anything else than a Web browser you can still use http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.user or any other web-based newsgroup client.
Regards.
----------------------------------------> Subject: RE: New Wine help and discussion forum> From: jonathan@ernstfamily.ch> To: ead1234@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:43:00 +0100>> Hello,>> Le lundi 29 octobre 2007 à 20:06 -0500, EA Durbin a écrit :> [...]>>>> I think phpbb is more user friendly than what we got right now. That>> and the amount of spam I receive in my inbox directed at the current>> mail lists. I'm tired of getting emails telling me I've won the>> lottery directed to my inbox from wine, it takes too long to clear it>> all out.>> There is no such mail in the archives so I don't know how you did get> lottery mail from wine.
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On 10/30/07, Jonathan Ernst jonathan@ernstfamily.ch wrote:
Maybe we could explain a little bit more the newsreader way of reading the list in http://www.winehq.org/site/forums.
And if you can't be bothered using anything else than a Web browser you can still use http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.user or any other web-based newsgroup client.
People are free to discuss Wine anywhere they want. I was only making suggestions. I have no objection to having Tom's forum, email and news. The major issue is right now there is a LOT of Wine discussion on other forums because Wine lacks a web forum and we need to capture that base of information in a central location.
IMHO Google groups is not the answer, just because it does not feel intuitive to me.
On Monday October 29 2007 18:18, Steven Edwards wrote:
I think long term we might want to see about just killing the users mailing list if the forum proves to be much more popular.
NO! I strongly disagree. In fact, I'm pretty active on wine-user. But I never will be active on the forum. Not because I dislike forums... I dislike bad and extremely slow interface. Just an example: there is 5 posts in different (or new) threads. It will take a LOT of time to view them all: I need to wait 100-1000 times more between reading each message (about few seconds instead of few milliseconds)! It is impossible to answer without logging in. This simply is not fun for me... Please note that my connection speed is 512 Kb/sec. Few years ago I actively participated in one forum (with completely unrelated topic) based on phpBB but there was possibility to get ALL messages to my mailbox. In order to answer it is enough to just click corresponding link in the message. It still far from perfect (because it is impossible to just answer) but this is still much better - at least I can read without wasting my time by clicking threads on the forum. Therefore it is clear that only perfect solution - is "forum front-end" to mailing list. Nothing else. This just a joke of course :) ! Because in reality there is no perfect solution for this problem! This is exactly why people use multiple places to discuss something.
The idea is to have ONE central place for all user discussions. Most users these days tend to be content with a forum
If you want to create central forum for discussing WINE you need to make sure that http://winehq.org have direct link to it. Otherwise it is unlikely (but possible) that it will be central place for discussion. Just a suggestion. I don't think that popularity and decision to destroy ML is related. Example: let's imagine that we have forum with 500 messages per day for discussing WINE. Mailing list (wine-users) have 3-15 messages per day. Does this mean we should kill it? No. Because there still users asking for help there and there still someone who want to help them. Only when we have 0 messages on wine-users for weeks we may think about killing it. Until then there is no point to discuss this.
OK, let's be smart. WINE will be discussed on forums because they are popular. ML are still enough popular too - so it is unlikely that all people will stop using them in favor of one central forum. In other words: I see no harm in creating forum for users (everyone is free to disagree but this doesn't change my personal opinion). I see no harm in having central ML if we have central forum. BUT I *see* harm in destroying ML that have (much) more than 0 messages per week. This is my point. So if you or someone else think that (central) forum will help users - great. If you create option to mail all new messages from the forum to the mailbox - even better. But it is up to the forum maintainer to decide. In short: while any ML have (much) more than 0 message per week we shouldn't destroy that ML. This is my opinion and I will not change it.
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