On March 29, 2003 09:48 pm, Francois Gouget wrote:
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<p>WineHQ has been redisigned recently. But there is still work to do.
So you would feel like writing about Wine or coding in Php yourcontribution will be appreciated. You can find the current task list
I think we should remove this section altogether. The page is already way too big, and this is as bad as a not enough info. The site has been redesigned, and there are only a few things that are missing -- and those can't be done by just anyone. Really, now the last thing we need is people comming over and messing with the site. Let's have a *focused* page on where we need help, not a laundry list of just about everything.
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: [...]
I think we should remove this section altogether. The page is already way too big, and this is as bad as a not enough info. The site has been redesigned, and there are only a few things that are missing --
I think we need a web site maintainer. Jeremy Newman has other stuff to do and will not be able to do the heavy lifting forever. Also I think he very much prefers writing PHP code rather than updating the contents of the site. So we do need a web site maintainer.
AFAIK we have no-one taking care of the site besides Brian Vincent who does a great job with the Wine Weekly News btw. But if the rest of the site is not kept up to date it will quickly get outdated and useless.
and those can't be done by just anyone. Really, now the last thing we need is people comming over and messing with the site. Let's have a *focused* page on where we need help, not a laundry list of just about everything.
Let me transpose this just slightly:
'Wine is almost finished and there are few things that are missing -- and these can't by just anyone. Really, now the last thing we need is people comming over and messing with the source.'
See how silly that sounds? It's just plain 'cathedral development' FUD. Nobody is going to be messing with the site. Jeremy (or maybe someone else) will have final say over what goes on the site, just like Alexandre does for the Wine source. In the meantime, there are a lot of opportunities to catch dead links, improve the site content here and there (and I would say this includes the documentation) and add new stuff.
On March 30, 2003 04:53 am, Francois Gouget wrote:
'Wine is almost finished and there are few things that are missing -- and these can't by just anyone. Really, now the last thing we need is people comming over and messing with the source.'
You can't "slightly transpose" things and expect that you get anything interesting. Look, all I'm saying is that this gives the wrong impression. Wine really needs developers in 99% of the cases. We can have the greatest website, and a nice Bugzilla, and all the organization that we'd want, but without code, it's nothing. On the other hand, any improvement in the code will get us more users, more developers, more mind share, and that will result in people helping out *automatically* without us asking for help.
So let's look at the Contributing page. We ask for web people. Fine. We could use some, granted, but do we really need anyone at the moment? What would they do? I've posted a "still TODO" list a few days ago, almost nothing there can be easily done by a newcomer. Actually what we need is someone that monitors the wine-devel list like Brian so they can keep things like the Who's Who etc up to date. But for those we don't need to advertise on that page!
So my problem is one of priorities. The very first thing we say is: we need help with the web site! But that's simply false. What we really need is developers, people testing apps, and customers for Wine-based companies. Period. The rest matters less than 0.000001% in the great scheme of things. So let's be truthful, I think it works better in the long run.
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