re: Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux

[Dan Kegel]

Axel wrote:
> When using WINE in Chinese environment Linux, the WINE works very very slow even opening windows / clicking buttons....

Does this happen with the latest wine (1.1.25)?
If so, can you show us how to reproduce the problem on
an ubuntu 9.04 system?  Remember, most of us
don't speak chinese, so you'll need to be very
explicit with your instructions.

Thanks,
Dan

Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux

[Roderick Colenbrander]

I think the slowness can be related to the font code. For some reason
(still have to investigate why) font rendering performance (at least
on nvidia and ati) is 50x faster if you enable font smoothing. (set it
to rgb or bgr, gray is not that much faster). Axel use winetricks to
enable it.

Roderick

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Dan Kegel wrote:
> Axel wrote:
> > When using WINE in Chinese environment Linux, the WINE works very very slow even opening windows / clicking buttons....
>
> Does this happen with the latest wine (1.1.25)?
> If so, can you show us how to reproduce the problem on
> an ubuntu 9.04 system?  Remember, most of us
> don't speak chinese, so you'll need to be very
> explicit with your instructions.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan

Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux

Hi, Roderick / DanThank you for your email. Please be patient to read my email, hope that helps for closing this issue.
When I searched in www.google.cn (google in Chinese) with "wine slow" (I use Chinese character for slow, google in English returned little valuable info with "wine slow" in English), found someone summaried several reasons why wine in Linux is so slow & gave the solutions, I translated it to English as below:1). Reason:     Wine uses traditional protocol for communication between client and server, and it seems that iptables is disabled in linux/wine.    Action:     execute command "iptables -I INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT"2). Reason:     Locale problem, lots of Linux distrubitions use utf-8 for Chinese locale, and wine will firstly try to search/request the utf-8 font sets which do not exisit in ./wine/drive_c/windows/fonts. Then wine will request other font sets that suits other locale(language environment) one by one (image how many languages in the world).    Action:    Execute command "env LANG=en_US wine your_program" or "env LANG=zh_CN wine your_program", to tell wine which language locale you want to use. (zh_CN is the Chinese locale in Linux)3). Reason:     GKB font sets, maybe it is a bug while wine is very slow to request GKB font sets. (GKB font sets are used to display simplified Chinese fonts and traditional Chinese fonts, but it is not the national standard in China. Simplified Chinese fonts are used in mainland China, and traditional Chinese fonts are used in Hongkong/Taiwan/...).     Action 1: delete the comments about GKB in  /usr/share/X11/locale/zh_CN.UTF-8/XLC_LOCALE     Action 2: execute command "sed -i "s/^[^#]*GBK/#Marked for GBK--- &/g" /usr/share/X11/locale/zh_CN.UTF-8/XLC_LOCALE >/dev/null" to let wine not continue to use/request GBK fonts.4). Reason: No fonts in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts (actually that is a null folder at the beginning, nothing to suit Chinese environment in wine)    Action:    Copy the font file simsun.ttc (the default Chinese font in Chinese version of $MS Windows system) from XP to ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts, and then save the following contents as fonts.reg:[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes]"Arial"="simsun""Arial CE,238"="simsun""Arial CYR,204"="simsun""Arial Greek,161"="simsun""Arial TUR,162"="simsun""Courier New"="simsun""Courier New CE,238"="simsun""Courier New CYR,204"="simsun""Courier New Greek,161"="simsun""Courier New TUR,162"="simsun""FixedSys"="simsun""Helv"="simsun""Helvetica"="simsun""MS Sans Serif"="simsun""MS Shell Dlg"="simsun""MS Shell Dlg 2"="simsun""System"="simsun""Tahoma"="simsun""Times"="simsun""Times New Roman CE,238"="simsun""Times New Roman CYR,204"="simsun""Times New Roman Greek,161"="simsun""Times New Roman TUR,162"="simsun""Tms Rmn"="simsun"
Then execute the command "regedit ~/.wine/fonts.reg", so wine can be very well displayed as in Windows Chinese environment and much faster than before.

Due to time limit & not willing to be risky, I only tried the 4th solution in my Fedora 10, and it seems faster than before with acceptable speed but does not improve sharply. Dear Madam/Sir, could you please help investigate based on the clues I provided? I also believe that you absolutely know how many users in China are evaluating wine &/ crossover office in Chinese environment of Fedora / Ubuntu / Suse /......, and by the way it is also very slow to install $MS office via crossover office under Chinese environment of my Fedora 10.

Best regards!
Yours sincerely, Axel

----- 原文 ----- From: Roderick Colenbrander<[e-mail]> Subject:Re: Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux
I think the slowness can be related to the font code. For some reason(still have to investigate why) font rendering performance (at leaston nvidia and ati) is 50x faster if you enable font smoothing. (set itto rgb or bgr, gray is not that much faster). Axel use winetricks toenable it.RoderickOn Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Dan Kegel<[e-mail]> wrote:> Axel wrote:>> When using WINE in Chinese environment Linux, the WINE works very very slow even opening windows / clicking buttons....>> Does this happen with the latest wine (1.1.25)?> If so, can you show us how to reproduce the problem on> an ubuntu 9.04 system?  Remember, most of us> don't speak chinese, so you'll need to be very> explicit with your instructions.>> Thanks,> Dan>>>

Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux

[Francois Gouget]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, [e-mail] wrote:
[...]
> 1). Reason:  Wine uses traditional protocol for communication between 
> client and server, and it seems that iptables is disabled in 
> linux/wine.
>
> Action:  execute command "iptables -I INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT"

That does not sound plausible at all. If lo was firewalled by default, 
then a lot of non-Wine applications would not be working. Any X 
application in particular (unless DISPLAY=hostname:0.0 which would be a 
heresy for a local X display as it would expose it to hacking from the 
net).

You could check the output of 'iptables -L INPUT -v -n' on the default 
configuration, and also check 'echo $DISPLAY'.
> 2). Reason:  Locale problem, lots of Linux distrubitions use utf-8 for 
> Chinese locale, and wine will firstly try to search/request the utf-8 
> font sets which do not exisit in ./wine/drive_c/windows/fonts. Then 
> wine will request other font sets that suits other locale(language 
> environment) one by one (image how many languages in the world).
>
> Action:  Execute command "env LANG=en_US wine your_program" or "env 
> LANG=zh_CN wine your_program", to tell wine which language locale you 
> want to use. (zh_CN is the Chinese locale in Linux)

This does not really make sense to me either. My knowledge in this area 
is pretty superficial, but as far as I know there is no way Wine is 
enumerating all possible languages trying to match fonts to each 
language. Point me to the code if I'm wrong. Also, if LANG is not set 
then you default to the C locale (unless LC_ALL is set) which is the 
most basic English locale. So if the above was correct, everyone should 
be experiencing this slow font issue.

I don't know enough about points 3 and 4 to comment.

Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux

----- 原文 ----- From: [e-mail] Subject:Re: Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux

Hi, Roderick / DanThank you for your email. Please be patient to read my email, hope that helps for closing this issue.
When I searched in www.google.cn (google in Chinese) with "wine slow" (I use Chinese character for slow, google in English returned little valuable info with "wine slow" in English), found someone summaried several reasons why wine in Linux is so slow & gave the solutions, I translated it to English as below:1). Reason:     Wine uses traditional protocol for communication between client and server, and it seems that iptables is disabled in linux/wine.    Action:     execute command "iptables -I INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT"2). Reason:     Locale problem, lots of Linux distrubitions use utf-8 for Chinese locale, and wine will firstly try to search/request the utf-8 font sets which do not exisit in ./wine/drive_c/windows/fonts. Then wine will request other font sets that suits other locale(language environment) one by one (image how many languages in the world).    Action:    Execute command "env LANG=en_US wine your_program" or "env LANG=zh_CN wine your_program", to tell wine which language locale you want to use. (zh_CN is the Chinese locale in Linux)3). Reason:     GKB font sets, maybe it is a bug while wine is very slow to request GKB font sets. (GKB font sets are used to display simplified Chinese fonts and traditional Chinese fonts, but it is not the national standard in China. Simplified Chinese fonts are used in mainland China, and traditional Chinese fonts are used in Hongkong/Taiwan/...).     Action 1: delete the comments about GKB in  /usr/share/X11/locale/zh_CN.UTF-8/XLC_LOCALE     Action 2: execute command "sed -i "s/^[^#]*GBK/#Marked for GBK--- &/g" /usr/share/X11/locale/zh_CN.UTF-8/XLC_LOCALE >/dev/null" to let wine not continue to use/request GBK fonts.4). Reason: No fonts in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts (actually that is a null folder at the beginning, nothing to suit Chinese environment in wine)    Action:    Copy the font file simsun.ttc (the default Chinese font in Chinese version of $MS Windows system) from XP to ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts, and then save the following contents as fonts.reg:[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes]"Arial"="simsun""Arial CE,238"="simsun""Arial CYR,204"="simsun""Arial Greek,161"="simsun""Arial TUR,162"="simsun""Courier New"="simsun""Courier New CE,238"="simsun""Courier New CYR,204"="simsun""Courier New Greek,161"="simsun""Courier New TUR,162"="simsun""FixedSys"="simsun""Helv"="simsun""Helvetica"="simsun""MS Sans Serif"="simsun""MS Shell Dlg"="simsun""MS Shell Dlg 2"="simsun""System"="simsun""Tahoma"="simsun""Times"="simsun""Times New Roman CE,238"="simsun""Times New Roman CYR,204"="simsun""Times New Roman Greek,161"="simsun""Times New Roman TUR,162"="simsun""Tms Rmn"="simsun"
Then execute the command "regedit ~/.wine/fonts.reg", so wine can be very well displayed as in Windows Chinese environment and much faster than before.

Due to time limit & not willing to be risky, I only tried the 4th solution in my Fedora 10, and it seems faster than before with acceptable speed but does not improve sharply. Dear Madam/Sir, could you please help investigate based on the clues I provided? I also believe that you absolutely know how many users in China are evaluating wine &/ crossover office in Chinese environment of Fedora / Ubuntu / Suse /......, and by the way it is also very slow to install $MS office via crossover office under Chinese environment of my Fedora 10.

Best regards!
Yours sincerely, Axel

----- 原文 ----- From: Roderick Colenbrander<[e-mail]> Subject:Re: Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux
I think the slowness can be related to the font code. For some reason(still have to investigate why) font rendering performance (at leaston nvidia and ati) is 50x faster if you enable font smoothing. (set itto rgb or bgr, gray is not that much faster). Axel use winetricks toenable it.RoderickOn Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Dan Kegel<[e-mail]> wrote:> Axel wrote:>> When using WINE in Chinese environment Linux, the WINE works very very slow even opening windows / clicking buttons....>> Does this happen with the latest wine (1.1.25)?> If so, can you show us how to reproduce the problem on> an ubuntu 9.04 system?  Remember, most of us> don't speak chinese, so you'll need to be very> explicit with your instructions.>> Thanks,> Dan>>>

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Wine very very slow in Chinese language of Linux

[Danila Sentiabov]

Hi, Axel.

Don't be afraid of trying different solutions - you can (and should) always
backup your wine prefix (just copy your entire ~/.wine directory somewhere).
Then you can experiment safely and copy your backup over ~/.wine back if
anything goes wrong.

And just a little off-topic remark - you should not send emails to so many
email addresses.
[e-mail] alone is more than enough - all interested parties are
reading it.
More than that, your topic probably belongs to wine-users, not wine-devel.
But that's my personal opinion.
If you want to be absolutely sure that one particular user will read your
message - add his/her email to CC. No need to send to wine-releases,
wine-tests-results,
wine-bugs and wineconf.