Start has the following lines at the end of its usage message:
"start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel\n" "Start comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details run with /L option.\n" "This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it\n" "under certain conditions; run 'start /L' for details.\n"
And also this resource: "start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel\n" "This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or\n" "modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser Public License\n" "as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1\n" [...] "along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software\n" "Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.\n" "\n" "See the COPYING.LIB file for license information.\n"
We also have another copy of this copyright notice in shell32 for the 'About Wine' dialog but without the 'start.exe' and 'COPYING.LIB' lines, and with 'This program' replaced with 'Wine'.
One more copyright notice we have is this in msrle32.rc:
"Wine MS-RLE video codec\n" "Copyright 2002 by Michael Guennewig"
Now this is all legalese which is a pain to translate (weird vocabulary) and pretty scary too. And because of the small differences the copyright notice needs to be translated twice (though tools like Virtaal/Launchpad may notice the similarity and prefill a fuzzy translation). Also start.exe and msrle32.dll are the only ones to have these notices which seems pretty inconsistent.
So what can we do to make this simpler?
The simplest would be to remove all copyright notices from start.rc and msrle32.rc. (we would keep the ones in the source of course). I guess that would require Dan's and Michael's approval.
The other options involve separating the strings that change from one tool to the next, from those that stay the same. This way the latter will only appear once in the PO file and thus need to be translated only once. The various parts can then trivially be concatenated when they are displayed. (unfortunately this does not help for the msrle32.rc case)
For instance we could decide to only keep the 'COPYING.LIB' string and tack it to the end of the usage message. We could also make things more consistent by doing this in every tool. So in pseudo-code we would have something like this:
/* Load the tool-specific usage message */ usage_message = load_string(IDS_USAGE);
/* Load the generic copying.lib reference. This one is duplicated in * every tool but always the same. */ copying_reference = load_string(IDS_COPYING);
/* Print both */ printf(usage_message); printf(copying_reference);
Another option would be to reuse the exact same main copyright notice as in the About Wine dialog since we need to translate that anyway (I think it would work wrapping-wise). So the start.exe pseudo-code for showing the license would be something like this:
/* Load the copyright notice header, that is: * start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel * start.exe is part of Wine. */ notice_header = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_HEADER);
/* Load the generic Wine copyright notice. Note that it * says 'Wine' like in the 'About Wine' dialog, not 'This program' * and would be the same in any other Wine tool: * Wine is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify * ... */ notice_generic = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_GENERIC);
/* Load the copyright notice trailer: * * See the COPYING.LIB file for license information. */ notice_trailer = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_TRAILER);
/* Print all the parts together */ printf(notice_header); printf(notice_generic); printf(notice_trailer);
When I wrote that bit, I was simply trying to follow the letter of the LGPL. I'm ok with any solution that does that. So making the messages uniform is fine by me. - Dan
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Francois Gouget fgouget@free.fr wrote:
Start has the following lines at the end of its usage message:
"start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel\n" "Start comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details run with /L option.\n" "This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it\n" "under certain conditions; run 'start /L' for details.\n"
And also this resource: "start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel\n" "This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or\n" "modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser Public License\n" "as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1\n" [...] "along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software\n" "Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.\n" "\n" "See the COPYING.LIB file for license information.\n"
We also have another copy of this copyright notice in shell32 for the 'About Wine' dialog but without the 'start.exe' and 'COPYING.LIB' lines, and with 'This program' replaced with 'Wine'.
One more copyright notice we have is this in msrle32.rc:
"Wine MS-RLE video codec\n" "Copyright 2002 by Michael Guennewig"
Now this is all legalese which is a pain to translate (weird vocabulary) and pretty scary too. And because of the small differences the copyright notice needs to be translated twice (though tools like Virtaal/Launchpad may notice the similarity and prefill a fuzzy translation). Also start.exe and msrle32.dll are the only ones to have these notices which seems pretty inconsistent.
So what can we do to make this simpler?
The simplest would be to remove all copyright notices from start.rc and msrle32.rc. (we would keep the ones in the source of course). I guess that would require Dan's and Michael's approval.
The other options involve separating the strings that change from one tool to the next, from those that stay the same. This way the latter will only appear once in the PO file and thus need to be translated only once. The various parts can then trivially be concatenated when they are displayed. (unfortunately this does not help for the msrle32.rc case)
For instance we could decide to only keep the 'COPYING.LIB' string and tack it to the end of the usage message. We could also make things more consistent by doing this in every tool. So in pseudo-code we would have something like this:
/* Load the tool-specific usage message */ usage_message = load_string(IDS_USAGE);
/* Load the generic copying.lib reference. This one is duplicated in * every tool but always the same. */ copying_reference = load_string(IDS_COPYING);
/* Print both */ printf(usage_message); printf(copying_reference);
Another option would be to reuse the exact same main copyright notice as in the About Wine dialog since we need to translate that anyway (I think it would work wrapping-wise). So the start.exe pseudo-code for showing the license would be something like this:
/* Load the copyright notice header, that is: * start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel * start.exe is part of Wine. */ notice_header = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_HEADER);
/* Load the generic Wine copyright notice. Note that it * says 'Wine' like in the 'About Wine' dialog, not 'This program' * and would be the same in any other Wine tool: * Wine is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify * ... */ notice_generic = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_GENERIC);
/* Load the copyright notice trailer: * * See the COPYING.LIB file for license information. */ notice_trailer = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_TRAILER);
/* Print all the parts together */ printf(notice_header); printf(notice_generic); printf(notice_trailer);
-- Francois Gouget fgouget@free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ tcA thgirypoC muinelliM latigiD eht detaloiv tsuj evah uoY
Oh, and dropping the bogus version number from start.exe is fine, too. (Presumably inserting wine's version number would be better, if we want a version number there.)
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
When I wrote that bit, I was simply trying to follow the letter of the LGPL. I'm ok with any solution that does that. So making the messages uniform is fine by me.
- Dan
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Francois Gouget fgouget@free.fr wrote:
Start has the following lines at the end of its usage message:
"start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel\n" "Start comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details run with /L option.\n" "This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it\n" "under certain conditions; run 'start /L' for details.\n"
And also this resource: "start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel\n" "This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or\n" "modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser Public License\n" "as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1\n" [...] "along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software\n" "Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.\n" "\n" "See the COPYING.LIB file for license information.\n"
We also have another copy of this copyright notice in shell32 for the 'About Wine' dialog but without the 'start.exe' and 'COPYING.LIB' lines, and with 'This program' replaced with 'Wine'.
One more copyright notice we have is this in msrle32.rc:
"Wine MS-RLE video codec\n" "Copyright 2002 by Michael Guennewig"
Now this is all legalese which is a pain to translate (weird vocabulary) and pretty scary too. And because of the small differences the copyright notice needs to be translated twice (though tools like Virtaal/Launchpad may notice the similarity and prefill a fuzzy translation). Also start.exe and msrle32.dll are the only ones to have these notices which seems pretty inconsistent.
So what can we do to make this simpler?
The simplest would be to remove all copyright notices from start.rc and msrle32.rc. (we would keep the ones in the source of course). I guess that would require Dan's and Michael's approval.
The other options involve separating the strings that change from one tool to the next, from those that stay the same. This way the latter will only appear once in the PO file and thus need to be translated only once. The various parts can then trivially be concatenated when they are displayed. (unfortunately this does not help for the msrle32.rc case)
For instance we could decide to only keep the 'COPYING.LIB' string and tack it to the end of the usage message. We could also make things more consistent by doing this in every tool. So in pseudo-code we would have something like this:
/* Load the tool-specific usage message */ usage_message = load_string(IDS_USAGE);
/* Load the generic copying.lib reference. This one is duplicated in * every tool but always the same. */ copying_reference = load_string(IDS_COPYING);
/* Print both */ printf(usage_message); printf(copying_reference);
Another option would be to reuse the exact same main copyright notice as in the About Wine dialog since we need to translate that anyway (I think it would work wrapping-wise). So the start.exe pseudo-code for showing the license would be something like this:
/* Load the copyright notice header, that is: * start.exe version 0.2 Copyright (C) 2003, Dan Kegel * start.exe is part of Wine. */ notice_header = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_HEADER);
/* Load the generic Wine copyright notice. Note that it * says 'Wine' like in the 'About Wine' dialog, not 'This program' * and would be the same in any other Wine tool: * Wine is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify * ... */ notice_generic = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_GENERIC);
/* Load the copyright notice trailer: * * See the COPYING.LIB file for license information. */ notice_trailer = load_string(IDS_NOTICE_TRAILER);
/* Print all the parts together */ printf(notice_header); printf(notice_generic); printf(notice_trailer);
-- Francois Gouget fgouget@free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ tcA thgirypoC muinelliM latigiD eht detaloiv tsuj evah uoY
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Dan Kegel wrote:
When I wrote that bit, I was simply trying to follow the letter of the LGPL. I'm ok with any solution that does that.
I don't see cp, ls, gcc or any other standard and especially GNU command line tools show a copyright notice in their usage message or have a command line option to show one. So I don't think that's a GPL/LGPL requirement.
So I'm still in favor of simplification by elimination.
Hmm, also currently 'start /LOW notepad' does not do the right thing, but that can be fixed independently...
On 22 September 2011 13:00, Francois Gouget fgouget@free.fr wrote:
I don't see cp, ls, gcc or any other standard and especially GNU command line tools show a copyright notice in their usage message or have a command line option to show one. So I don't think that's a GPL/LGPL
--version shows a short copyright notice.
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