On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 21:02 +0000, Mike Hearn wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:36:03 -0800, George Farris wrote:
Whats the protocol as far as adding a top level menu under Applications? I want to port a number of Ham radio apps over and put them in their own menu called.. wait for it.. Amateur Radio.
Would this be frowned upon? The apps would be coming from universe.
I think it'd be better to formalise a new category as an extension to the FDO .desktop spec, then adjust the upstream menu XML definition, assuming there is one (they always look the same on GNOME based distros so I expect there is).
That way it's not Ubuntu specific.
thanks -mike
On this matter, do we want to create a Wine top-level entry in the Applications menu? We can start it as an Ubuntu-specific extension, include the appropriate .desktop files in the Ubuntu package (I'll write them myself), and then just send changes upstream?
I envision the following process for a user after installing the Wine package: a new Wine menu entry will appear under Applications, and within that will be a Program Files subfolder with installed Windows apps and the included apps (like our notepad). Adjacent Program Files will be the GUI configuration tools - winecfg, the uninstaller, etc.
Stuff could also be installed here that isn't Wine explicitly, like the Winetools package.
Thoughts?
-Scott Ritchie
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 19:59 -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote:
On this matter, do we want to create a Wine top-level entry in the Applications menu? We can start it as an Ubuntu-specific extension, include the appropriate .desktop files in the Ubuntu package (I'll write them myself), and then just send changes upstream?
I'm not sure we want to expose the name "Wine" in the UI, that's a cute abbreviation for developers but communicates nothing to the newbie end user. What might work better is simply having a top level "Windows Applications" menu like we do in Crossover. Then winecfg can go on the top level of the start menu.
I don't think we want to expose anything else, except maybe "Perform virtual Windows reboot" and "Uninstall Windows applications". Stuff like regedit is rather obscure. Notepad is useless except for testing your new setup. The task manager - ditto.
Stuff could also be installed here that isn't Wine explicitly, like the Winetools package.
Actually mapping the Windows menus to the new XDG spec is a little tricky and so far nobody has done it, not even CW. When 4.1 came out I think distro-specific hacks were required to make it work on Fedora (can't quite remember). Hopefully the situation has improved since then.
Doing so certainly requires coding, so I wouldn't rush to create a top level menu until somebody does that work and we can actually fill it with end-user interesting items like "Microsoft Word" or "iTunes".
Also I'd favour doing it upstream *first* then letting it propagate down into the distros instead of whacking something together in Ubuntu then trying to force it upstream.
For now, if you don't feel like hacking on our menu code, you could get somebody (Jimmac?) to draw a nice icon for Win32 EXE files. Currently we associate them with ourselves but they have no icons, which is a bit poor. Once again, doing it upstream (in GNOME/KDE or hicolor) first is preferable, Ubuntu/Etiquette specific artwork can come later.
thanks -mike
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