Hey,
After months of browseing the wiki recent changes rss feed I've been irked enough to try and see what could be done about it. I'm sure everyone is having fun playing whack a mole with the wikispam but I was hoping that we could do something similar to the forum account creation "Who is the maintainer of Wine" question.
I'm hoping that would cut down on a large portion of the wiki spam, which is now up to several bogus posts per day. (hats off to those that have been scrubbing it clean!)
Luckily it seems MoinMoin has a feature that provides exactly this: http://moinmo.in/TextCha
However on that page it only mentions a challenge question for commits which wasn't quite what I wanted so I took a look at the source for stable release 1.8.2
http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/1f0db10c207f/MoinMoin/action/newaccount.py...
Seems they have the challenge question for user account creation in that version.
What's involved in upgrading? How can I get the current winehq wiki code/data?
I would be interested in helping test this or patching but I'm not sure how to import the data into my test server.
Regards, --John Klehm
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 21:32 -0600, John Klehm wrote:
Luckily it seems MoinMoin has a feature that provides exactly this: http://moinmo.in/TextCha
However on that page it only mentions a challenge question for commits which wasn't quite what I wanted so I took a look at the source for stable release 1.8.2
Yes, this can be a problem -- I'm afraid captchas are a bit annoying, and before we go ahead and implement them I'd like to find the opinion of the real users of the wiki if they'd like something like this.
And if we don't implement captchas for saves (which I personally would hate but maybe others would be OK with it), I'm not sure it would save us all that much spam to begin with, as spammer do create accounts manually and the captchas would not be a problem for them.
http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/1f0db10c207f/MoinMoin/action/newaccount.py...
Seems they have the challenge question for user account creation in that version.
What's involved in upgrading? How can I get the current winehq wiki code/data?
First we would need to upgrade the Wiki. We are currently looking to do that, so it shouldn't be a problem.
The code for the Wiki is on Wine's SourceForge CVS repository: http://wine.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wine/wiki/
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Dimi Paun dimi@lattica.com wrote:
And if we don't implement captchas for saves (which I personally would hate but maybe others would be OK with it), I'm not sure it would save us all that much spam to begin with, as spammer do create accounts manually and the captchas would not be a problem for them.
I wouldn't really want per save captcha either, per account creation is what I was hoping would cut down the spam. If the accounts are created manually not much we can do about it :(
Maybe some kind of save moderation for new accounts? (which would probably be a lot of bother) :/
The code for the Wiki is on Wine's SourceForge CVS repository: http://wine.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wine/wiki/
Ahh thanks! I forgot about wine's sourceforge repo.
Cheers, --John Klehm
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 11:59 -0600, John Klehm wrote:
I wouldn't really want per save captcha either, per account creation is what I was hoping would cut down the spam. If the accounts are created manually not much we can do about it :(
I think that's the case. Which is why I think it's not worth doing, as we would just make it harder on most real users, while not detracting any of the spammers. Moreover it will add additional maintenance burden on our part to keep the captchas operational.
Maybe some kind of save moderation for new accounts? (which would probably be a lot of bother) :/
Yes, this would be horrible. I think it's easier on everybody to just delete things after the fact, as it happens now.
"Dimi Paun" dimi@lattica.com wrote:
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 11:59 -0600, John Klehm wrote:
I wouldn't really want per save captcha either, per account creation is what I was hoping would cut down the spam. If the accounts are created manually not much we can do about it :(
I think that's the case. Which is why I think it's not worth doing, as we would just make it harder on most real users, while not detracting any of the spammers.
Actually if there are a lot of user account creation every day in the Wine wiki then there is something wrong with it. There are not that much Wine developers and probably some active testers/appdb maintainers, who else could pretend to have a user account in the Wine wiki?
Moreover it will add additional maintenance burden on our part to keep the captchas operational.
Isn't that an one time effort?
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 14:07 +0800, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote:
Actually if there are a lot of user account creation every day in the Wine wiki then there is something wrong with it. There are not that much Wine developers and probably some active testers/appdb maintainers, who else could pretend to have a user account in the Wine wiki?
I don't think we have all that many. The wiki is up for a few years, and we have <2700 accounts, I'd suspect most of them are valid accounts.
If spammers would create them automatically, we would have see a lot more I'd think.
Moreover it will add additional maintenance burden on our part to keep the captchas operational.
Isn't that an one time effort?
Not sure -- if this is not integrated in the base version, it will create problems every time we need to do an upgrade. Moin is great, but they break things all the time between versions, it's already a pain to do the upgrades...
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Dimi Paun dimi@lattica.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 14:07 +0800, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote:
Actually if there are a lot of user account creation every day in the Wine wiki then there is something wrong with it. There are not that much Wine developers and probably some active testers/appdb maintainers, who else could pretend to have a user account in the Wine wiki?
I don't think we have all that many. The wiki is up for a few years, and we have <2700 accounts, I'd suspect most of them are valid accounts.
If spammers would create them automatically, we would have see a lot more I'd think.
Moreover it will add additional maintenance burden on our part to keep the captchas operational.
Isn't that an one time effort?
Not sure -- if this is not integrated in the base version, it will create problems every time we need to do an upgrade. Moin is great, but they break things all the time between versions, it's already a pain to do the upgrades...
-- Dimi Paun dimi@lattica.com Lattica, Inc.
Why are we using Moin anyways? I know Fedora used to use Moin and they moved off of it for their wiki, and I honestly think that perhaps WineHQ needs to as well.
2009/3/11 King InuYasha ngompa13@gmail.com:
Why are we using Moin anyways? I know Fedora used to use Moin and they moved off of it for their wiki, and I honestly think that perhaps WineHQ needs to as well.
If you're going to argue for a complete replacement of the Wiki system, you'll have to provide better support than "Fedora dumped Moin".
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/11 King InuYasha ngompa13@gmail.com:
Why are we using Moin anyways? I know Fedora used to use Moin and they
moved
off of it for their wiki, and I honestly think that perhaps WineHQ needs
to
as well.
If you're going to argue for a complete replacement of the Wiki system, you'll have to provide better support than "Fedora dumped Moin".
I didn't want to provide reasons to dump it unless I know why we ARE using it so I can provide better counterarguments. Just showing up with arguments for another wiki based system without knowing why Moin is chosen does not paint me in worse light than I already am ;)
It makes me seem belligerent.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, King InuYasha ngompa13@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/11 King InuYasha ngompa13@gmail.com:
Why are we using Moin anyways? I know Fedora used to use Moin and they
moved
off of it for their wiki, and I honestly think that perhaps WineHQ needs
to
as well.
If you're going to argue for a complete replacement of the Wiki system, you'll have to provide better support than "Fedora dumped Moin".
I didn't want to provide reasons to dump it unless I know why we ARE using it so I can provide better counterarguments. Just showing up with arguments for another wiki based system without knowing why Moin is chosen does not paint me in worse light than I already am ;)
It makes me seem belligerent.
Oops, I meant does paint me in a worse light than I already am...
2009/3/11 King InuYasha ngompa13@gmail.com:
Why are we using Moin anyways? I know Fedora used to use Moin and they moved off of it for their wiki, and I honestly think that perhaps WineHQ needs to as well.
As someone who's done the Moin->MediaWiki thing, I heartily disrecommend it if avoidable:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MoinMoin
- d.
I didn't recommend MediaWiki. If anything, MediaWiki would put us in a _worse_ situation than before.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:48 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/11 King InuYasha ngompa13@gmail.com:
Why are we using Moin anyways? I know Fedora used to use Moin and they
moved
off of it for their wiki, and I honestly think that perhaps WineHQ needs
to
as well.
As someone who's done the Moin->MediaWiki thing, I heartily disrecommend it if avoidable:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MoinMoin
- d.
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