Palm OS Desktop & Wine

[FyD]

Dear All,

I have a Tungsten E PDA and use K-pilot/J-pilot to backup/restore/install
.pdb/.prc files with my linux box. No problem for that.
=> However, I would like to install a .pdf viewer on my PDA and the files
provided for this installation are not .pdb/.prc files but a Windows executable
file (AdobeReader305-PalmOS.exe). To install this file, I need to install the
whole Palm Desktop CD under windows.
=> Consequently, I thought to use Wine for that: I compiled Wine_20041201 on my
linux box (RedHat 9.0), configured it with 'winesetuptk' and run 'wine
/mnt/cdrom/autorun.exe' to install the whole Palm Desktop CD for window.

The installation seems to start ok & I get the following error message:
[...]
fixme:ole:ITypeInfo_fnRelease destroy child objects
fixme:ole:ITypeInfo_fnRelease destroy child objects
fixme:powermgnt:SetThreadExecutionState (0x80000000): stub, harmless.
Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config
file
fixme:thread:NtSetInformationThread Set ThreadImpersonationToken handle to (nil)
fixme:thread:NtSetInformationThread Set ThreadImpersonationToken handle to 0x4c
Installation of D:\palm desktop\Palm Desktop.msi (SETUPEXEDIR=D:\palm desktop)
failed.
err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x20024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!

I tried to find info on the web about 'Palm OS Desktop installation & Wine'
without success...

Is it possible to do install the 'Palm OS Desktop' CD with Wine and/or any idea
for my problem ?

Thanks a lot, regards, Francois

[Hiji]

I've never done this, but thinking on a more
fundamental level, USB isn't fully supported under
Wine.  So, I'm assuming your PDA relies on a USB
connection.  So, even if you got the application to
run, chances are, you couldn't sync with your device.
:S

I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of Wine
& USB at the moment.

Hiji

--- FyD  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I have a Tungsten E PDA and use K-pilot/J-pilot to
> backup/restore/install
> .pdb/.prc files with my linux box. No problem for
> that.
> => However, I would like to install a .pdf viewer on
> my PDA and the files
> provided for this installation are not .pdb/.prc
> files but a Windows executable
> file (AdobeReader305-PalmOS.exe). To install this
> file, I need to install the
> whole Palm Desktop CD under windows.
> => Consequently, I thought to use Wine for that: I
> compiled Wine_20041201 on my
> linux box (RedHat 9.0), configured it with
> 'winesetuptk' and run 'wine
> /mnt/cdrom/autorun.exe' to install the whole Palm
> Desktop CD for window.
>
> The installation seems to start ok & I get the
> following error message:
> [...]
> fixme:ole:ITypeInfo_fnRelease destroy child objects
> fixme:ole:ITypeInfo_fnRelease destroy child objects
> fixme:powermgnt:SetThreadExecutionState
> (0x80000000): stub, harmless.
> Please use the registry key
> HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
> to set the screen resolution and remove the
> "Resolution" entry in the config
> file
> fixme:thread:NtSetInformationThread Set
> ThreadImpersonationToken handle to (nil)
> fixme:thread:NtSetInformationThread Set
> ThreadImpersonationToken handle to 0x4c
> Installation of D:\palm desktop\Palm Desktop.msi
> (SETUPEXEDIR=D:\palm desktop)
> failed.
> err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x20024] GetDC() without
> ReleaseDC()!
>
> I tried to find info on the web about 'Palm OS
> Desktop installation & Wine'
> without success...
>
> Is it possible to do install the 'Palm OS Desktop'
> CD with Wine and/or any idea
> for my problem ?
>
> Thanks a lot, regards, Francois

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[Ivan Leo Puoti]

Hiji wrote:
> I've never done this, but thinking on a more
> fundamental level, USB isn't fully supported under
> Wine.  So, I'm assuming your PDA relies on a USB
> connection.  So, even if you got the application to
> run, chances are, you couldn't sync with your device.
> :S
>
> I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of Wine
> & USB at the moment.

I don't think wine supports USB at all. And please don't top post.

Ivan.

[Hiji]

Ah, but my friend, in the Wine-Users alias we
established that it should follow the trend of the
thread.  In this thread, I started the trend as a
"top-post".

So, I should ask you (in this specific thread),
"Please don't bottom-post." hehehe. ;)

About USB...  Isn't it working (at minimum) with
iTunes?

Hiji

--- Ivan Leo Puoti  wrote:
> I don't think wine supports USB at all. And please
> don't top post.
> Hiji wrote:
> > I've never done this, but thinking on a more
> > fundamental level, USB isn't fully supported under
> > Wine.  So, I'm assuming your PDA relies on a USB
> > connection.  So, even if you got the application
>
> to
> > run, chances are, you couldn't sync with your
>
> device.
> > :S
> >
> > I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of
>
> Wine
> > & USB at the moment.

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Hiji wrote:
> Ah, but my friend, in the Wine-Users alias we
> established that it should follow the trend of the
> thread.  In this thread, I started the trend as a
> "top-post".
>
> So, I should ask you (in this specific thread),
> "Please don't bottom-post." hehehe. ;)
>
> About USB...  Isn't it working (at minimum) with
> iTunes?

That may be ok in wine users. But not so much wine devel...  PLEASE do _NOT_ top 
post.

You can do what you want. However aggravating the developers when you are asking 
for help is not a good way to start things off.

--

Tony Lambregts

[Hiji]

--- [e-mail] wrote:
> Hiji wrote:
> > Ah, but my friend, in the Wine-Users alias we
> > established that it should follow the trend of the
> > thread.  In this thread, I started the trend as a
> > "top-post".
> >
> > So, I should ask you (in this specific thread),
> > "Please don't bottom-post." hehehe. ;)
> >
> > About USB...  Isn't it working (at minimum) with
> > iTunes?
>
> That may be ok in wine users. But not so much wine
> devel...  PLEASE do _NOT_ top 
> post.
>
> You can do what you want. However aggravating the
> developers when you are asking 
> for help is not a good way to start things off.

Woah... Slow down there.  Who's aggravating who, and
who is starting things off?  I'm not new here (I may
lurk, but I do pop in), wasn't asking for help (I was
answering another person's question), and a little
humor never hurt anyone. ;)

Honestly, when someone makes a big deal out of whether
to "top post" or "bottom post", it makes no sense. 
(You might as well start nitpicking at how people do
their grammar.)  Two schools of thought and popularity
exist for each methodology; you'll find an equal
amount of people to backup each side.  (To paraphrase
what someone emailed me via the wine-users alias
thread, "This argument happens at least once a year.")

If you need to have people bottom-post... that's fine,
and let them know kindly.  If you've told them before,
and they've forgot, then please remind them.  But
don't go off and get Terminator on them (I'm not
speaking to you directly, but to the attitude in
general about top/bottom posting.) :)

I would understand if this thread was in the middle of
a long bottom-posting discussion.  But for Pete's
sake,  I answered someone's question, and here I am
now having to defend myself because I didn't
"bottom-posting".  (How the heck does this happen?  I
thought I was on the wine-devel alias - not the alias
for "Etiquette for Various Alias Cultures".)

I can guarantee you that right now someone reading
this thread is rolling their eyes because we are
arguing over something which shouldn't have to be
argued about. ;)

Now, take a deep breath, and let out a few laughs to
relax!

Hiji

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[FyD]

Sorry for this mess since I am the guy who asked _the_ wrong question at the
wrong place!
I did not know it was forbidden to ask questions here. I can tell I will _not_
come back. Usually on the web there is two types of mailing list: friendly and
unfriendly...
Anyway, thanks a lot to Hiji for his answers and ... humour. kind regards,
Francois

[Ivan Leo Puoti]

> About USB...  Isn't it working (at minimum) with
> iTunes?

AFAIK USB isn't supported.

Ivan.

[Stefan Dösinger]

Am Dienstag, 11. Januar 2005 14:55 schrieb Ivan Leo Puoti:
> > About USB...  Isn't it working (at minimum) with
> > iTunes?
>
> AFAIK USB isn't supported.

I have the pdf converter running with wine and Palm Desktop. The palm Desktop 
installer requires some playing with MSI, I don't remember exactly what I 
did. Note that you can't run the Palm Desktop application, but you can run 
hotsync.exe which is enought to get PDF files onto the palm.

No, it doesn't work with USB. You can use ircomm by setting com1 
-> /dev/ircomm0, but that's slow and buggy. It's much better to configure 
hotsync.exe and your palm to use network sync with 127.0.0.1 and use 
pi-nredir from the pilot-link package to make hotsync.exe talk to the Palm.

For all Palm users here: This also works with DocumentsToGo, but DocumentsToGo 
is unstable if an memory card is inserterd.

I thought about writing an pilot-link conduit which reads the wine registry 
and uses wine to call the dll conduits. So far it only creates some registry 
entries and tests at school forced me to interrupt this work.

Cheers,
Stefan

[Hiji]

--- Ivan Leo Puoti  wrote:
> > About USB...  Isn't it working (at minimum) with
> > iTunes?
>
> AFAIK USB isn't supported.
>
> Ivan.

Referring to the following message:
http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/12/0091.html

USB in iTunes is said to work "with a lot of fiddling
about".

Hiji

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[Jeremy White]

> Referring to the following message:
> http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/12/0091.html
>
> USB in iTunes is said to work "with a lot of fiddling
> about".

Your best resource may be:
   http://www.codeweavers.com/site/support/docs/crossover-pro/troubleshooting#I...

I think it explains the steps pretty clearly, and would be pretty useful
even to non CrossOver Wine users (don't worry about not having cxipod,
it doesn't do anything that can't be done manually, and I'm pretty sure
it's all explained).

Cheers,

Jeremy